Talk:Ibn Arabi

Possibility of a standalone article for MIAS?

I couldn't find a noticeboard specifically for notability, so I figured I'd ask this here. I believe that, based on coverage of events and commentary in mainstream media, the Muhyuddin Ibn Arabi Society (MIAS) may exceed the notability guideline as an organization. Perhaps this might be a good place to discuss the possibility of creating an article before moving work into a sandbox or draft space. Tagging User:Mosesheron and User:TheEagle107 since both of you have some experience here. Note that I'm a member of MIAS, so I wouldn't feel comfortable creating such an article and judging its notability without input from non-member editors. Also, I do accordingly have access to research by the organization which could be of use here. MezzoMezzo (talk) 23:51, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Ibn 'Arabi and the Contemporary West: Beshara and the Ibn 'Arabi Society by Isobel Jeffery-Street is a book length treatment of MIAS. Reviews of Jefrey-Streets’s work (1, 2, 3, 4) also provides much information on the subject. Some other sources such as Suha Taji-Farouki’s 2007 book Beshara and Ibn ‘Arabi: A Movement of Sufi Spirituality in the Modern World also has in depth coverage MIAS. These sources, in my opinion, are sufficient to warrant a standalone article. Mosesheron (talk) 02:39, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

• Monash University
• Columbia University
• Üsküdar University
• University of Murcia
• University of London
• Stanford University
• Qantara.de

In my humble opinion, these sources provide significant coverage, passes WP:GNG and WP:ORG. However, I suggest you ask an experienced admin before doing anything. Good luck and happy editing!--TheEagle107 (talk) 04:21, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! The above includes sources which even I wasn't familiar with. This is a good start. Per TheEagle's advice, I'd like to tag User:Headbomb due to his work on Wikipedia:Notability (academic journals) and User:David Gerard due to his commentary at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Would either of you two mind commenting on the efficacy of moving forward with a draft on the organization discussed above? I'm asking primarily in light of WP:N. MezzoMezzo (talk) 22:59, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't know the area at all, but MIAS is quite plausibly notable, based on the sources above - David Gerard (talk) 09:56, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

For those interested, I've started working on this in my sandbox with a focus on establishing the organization's notability. If anyone else wants to help out at this stage, we can move the article form my sandbox to a proper draft page. I'm currently using the Aga Khan Foundation and The Wahid Institute articles as models, though I'm noticing that most think tanks and academic centers for Islamic studies seem to have poorly written articles on here. Perhaps this is an opportunity to change that. MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:53, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Possibility of a template?

I've created the Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi Society article. If we look over that along with Akbariyya and Ibn Arabi and theoretical mysticism, would there be a basis for creating a template for Ibn Arabi? Would any of his prominent students, or perhaps some of his works, also have a place on such a template? I don't think I've created on before, so I'm not sure what sort of guidelines there may be. MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:48, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

“ nicknamed al-Qushayrī ”

al-Qushayrī is a tribal Nisba not a nickname and he wasn’t from the tribe Qushayr 46.184.88.249 (talk) 10:15, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

al-Qushayrī is another sufi mistic. ʻAbd al-Karīm ibn Hawāzin Qushayrī, known as Al-Qushayri Lokamaya (talk) 11:26, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Please remove/edit nickname al-Qushayrī from this page.

Lokamaya (talk) 11:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Sultan Arifin also not known in academic source. Stephen Hirtenstein wrote all the nickname of Ibn Arabi here: Names and Titles of Ibn ‘Arabī

Lokamaya (talk) 11:32, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Uness232 please take a look here Lokamaya (talk) 07:17, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Don't see a source for either. Removing them both. Uness232 (talk) 12:49, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Real name and nickname

Here the names of Ibn 'Arabi

• Real name or personal name: Muhammad
• Nickname: Ibn 'Arabi
• Titular name: Muhyiddin or Muhyi al-din
• Other titular name but only known after Ibn 'Arabi passed away: Syekh Al-Akbar (The Great Teacher)
• Father of (kunya): Abū ‘Abdu-Allāh
• nasab/patronym: ibn ‘Alī ibn Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn ‘Abdullāh
• nisba/place and geo origin: ibn al-‘Arabī al-Tā’ī al-Hātimī al-Andalusī
• Fullname with titular + kunya + personal name + nasab + nisba: Muhyīddīn Abū ‘Abdullāh Muhammad ibn ‘Alī ibn Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn ‘Abdullāh ibn a-‘Arabī al-Tā’ī al-Hātimī al-Andalusī

Lokamaya (talk) 11:58, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

This addition, "al-Mursī al-Dimashqī", only known in certain community, not common. Mursi is a city in Andalusia where he was born (so al-Andalusi was enough), and Damascus is a city where he spent the rest of his life and a place where he is buried. So no need to add Mursi and Damascus to his fullname.

Lokamaya (talk) 12:11, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

The reality is that a 'full name' in Arabic can go on for as long as one likes, depending on how many generations back the patronymic recollection is continued. For practicality's sake, a line needs to be drawn somewhere, and the existing version already seemed a bit long. I've trimmed it to the version that Chittick notes Ibn Arabi actually signed his books with, which was "Abū ʻAbd Allāh Muḥammad ibn al-ʻArabī al-Ṭāʼī al-Ḥātimī", which is as close as are going to get to an 'official' version, and it is clearly where the man himself drew the line for practicality's sake. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Change heading/name to proper noun

The correct spelling in Arabic is ابن العربي ibn al-‘Arabī (See: Ash-Sha’ranī, Tabaqāt al-Kubrā, 1/227). How can we change? The current spelling for accurately represent the addition of “al” in the article title while preserving older links that direct here without the “al”? 204.197.177.17 (talk) 20:57, 29 July 2023 (UTC)