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Why doesn't IS victim Peter Kassig have his own Wikipedia article when the others do?Edit

Why does cab driver Alan Henning get his own Wikipedia article but "Peter Kassig" (who had, before his kidnapping, appeared on CNN) redirects here to 2014 ISIL beheading incidents? I would assume Kassig had at least as much coverage as Henning did. David Cawthorne Haines and Steven Sotloff also have their own Wikipedia articles. If Kassig isn't considered notable enough for a separate Wikipedia article, why are the others notable enough? Eaqq (talk) 19:41, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

He probably is notable enough for his own page. Epeefleche (talk) 21:25, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
One reason and one reason only: because you haven't started it yet. You can edit Peter Kassig and make it an article instead of a redirect. (Just click on the "redirected from ..." part, which lands you at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_Kassig&redirect=no ) Wikipedia is nowhere near complete - for every page we have you can easily name ten we ought to. You might face a discussion about whether a separate page is needed per WP:BLP1E but you've alluded to prior independent notability that should prevail provided your page documents it with good sources. So far the media has been pretty good about doing biographies of the people being killed, so it ought to end up as a decent article. Wnt (talk) 13:37, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Plenty of "the others" don't have articles. The overwhelming majority here don't even have names. Six paragraphs for Kassig, two lines for eighteen soldiers. The media has been "pretty good" about focusing on a very specific sort of victim, and enumerating the rest. Not particular to this article, or even Wikipedia's fault, but still craziness. Imagine the weeks of features we'd get if twin Yemeni bombings killed seven Americans. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:43, February 1, 2015 (UTC)
Why would Kayla Mueller have an article about while Peter Kassig does not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wuvixx (talkcontribs) 09:25, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
That's a good question. Bring it up in the talk section about renaming her article after the event. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:28, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Peter Kassig needs his own article so that most of his table entry can move there. Right now the level of detail in his entry is inconsistent with that of the other entries. TheBlinkster (talk) 10:54, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Page for killings other than beheadingsEdit

Our unfortunate title of ISIL beheading incidents that stays despite very relevant requests to change leaves out other executions by ISIS. Very clear examples of this is the burning of Jordanian pilot Muath al-Kasasbeh. ISIL is coming with increasingly more gruesome execution tactics. There were reports that some had been crucified. There are reports of mass killings of captured opponents from Syrian Army or Al Nusra Front or the Syrian Free Army opponents. These can aptly be described as mass killings, even massacres. Do we have a listing of such incidents? You can add to it what came out today in the news about execution of 19-year old Israeli-Palestinian Arab Muhammad Musallam, accused of spying for Israel and then shot by a very young underage ISIL vigilante with a pistol or a gun shooting the young Musallem ion his forehead execution style and later emtying three more bullets to his body. Parents of Musallem deny him being a spy and that these were trumped up charges against him. See the story of Muhammad Musallam here http://news.yahoo.com/islamic-state-video-claims-killing-israeli-spy-musallam-195755017.html If it's not a beheading, is it less gruesome to be included in our listing? And if we do list such incidents, just exactly where? werldwayd (talk) 03:43, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

There seem to be some articles based around the mode of killing - List of Syrian Civil War barrel bomb attacks is a mass killing list centered on the barrel bomb mode. The list came out of the article barrel bomb. These mode-type lists try to be comprehensive. Rather than creating lots of comprehensive mode-based lists, one could create List of significant ISIL killings using the format of the barrel bomb list, with a chronology of events, 1 line per day, mode independent. -- GreenC 04:42, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
The need for a comprehensive listing by date (or date announced if actual date cannot be determined) is essential. I don't know if we should call it List of significant ISIL killings though. I am bothered by the word "significant" as part of title. but that's a detail that can be dealt later. The previous renaming request was ideal to deal with this issue of other killings, but result was to keep "beheadings" article, while disregarding many other killings by ISIL. I don't know if there were hangings as well, or crucifictions, as some media asserted. Executions by firing squad is yet another method that ISIL has used. werldwayd (talk) 07:28, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
"Significant" just means there is enough notable coverage for inclusion in Wikipedia, without claiming to be comprehensive which is impossible in a war of this scale. I don't think the result was to "disregarding many other killings by ISIL", rather to keep this article about one particular mode of killing. Which makes sense as this article is more than merely a list of deaths. -- GreenC 13:02, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
I agree with User:Werldwayd the ISIS have changed many times its execution procedures, from beheading captives to burning them alive, now its reported that they put people on a cage and sumerge it to drown their ocupants, and even blow a car with prisoners with a rocket. This is becoming a evil practice a very sadistic one and should be documented for enciclopedical reasons.Mr.User200 (talk) 15:44, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
I agree with the original post. The point of concern is that ISIS is killing all of these victims (regardless of the methods they employ). The beheading method is no more notable than the other methods (shooting, burning, drowning, etc.). Why does "beheading" have its own page, while the others do not? I'd rather see a comprehensive list of their murder victims, all in one page. As opposed to have just the beheading victims discussed. This makes no sense. What's the rationale? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:54, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

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Abu SayyafEdit

Do the ISIS affiliated Abu Sayyaf of Robert Hall (Canadian), John Ridsdel and others get added to this article?E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:44, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Beheading of 4-year-old girlEdit

Hello all,

It seems like the source for the beheading of the 4-year-old is the only site which mentions this incident. I think it could use some verification. Also, is it necessary to say that the mother was forced to soak hands in the daughter's blood? That seems unnecessary.

Pentaquark (talk) 05:38, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

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