Talk:Hurricane Babe

Latest comment: 13 years ago by 12george1 in topic GA Review
Good articleHurricane Babe has been listed as one of the Natural sciences good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Good topic starHurricane Babe is part of the 1977 Atlantic hurricane season series, a good topic. This is identified as among the best series of articles produced by the Wikipedia community. If you can update or improve it, please do so.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
October 18, 2009Good article nomineeNot listed
March 1, 2011Good article nomineeListed
March 29, 2014Good topic candidatePromoted
Current status: Good article

Relevant link edit

Found this link today when searching for a satellite image. Thegreatdr (talk) 17:49, 3 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

GA Review edit

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hurricane Babe (1977)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

I have a content issue which needs to be resolved. Babe's formation section talks about the interaction of a surface low and a tropical wave leading to its subtropical character, which is incorrect. It is stated correctly within the season article that it had a subtropical character after Babe interacted with an upper level low. That needs to be fixed within the article, with the wikilink to low pressure area removed since it speaks of surface lows, not upper level lows.

Read the subtropical cyclone article and get back to me. Interaction between tropical waves and surface lows does not lead to a subtropical cyclone development. Subtropical cyclones are embedded within upper level lows. If we can't get past this issue, the article either needs to be failed, or the comments concerning what led to its subtropical character need to be removed. Thegreatdr (talk) 14:59, 10 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
Fixed the issue. All that was really needed to conform to the referencing and the comments above were to replace "low pressure area" with "upper level cyclonic vortex" for the system near Florida.   Done Thegreatdr (talk) 14:57, 13 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

While the article is well referenced, reference 12 isn't pointing to the correct location, which also needs to be fixed.

  • It is, I can't get more specific than that as it is referencing the overall tornado count. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 14:29, 10 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
But the reference has NO information. Click the link. That's the issue. Thegreatdr (talk) 14:59, 10 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
As long as the referenced used is easy to navigate, which it is as there are instructions on how to use the archive right on the page, it's usable. I honestly cannot get more specific than that. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:02, 10 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
Then how are the other references showing the specific information without additional navigation, while that one is not? They're all through NCDC. It seems odd to have such a dichotomy within the refs. If you can't get more specific through NCDC, find a reference where you don't need to additionally navigate. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:48, 10 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

To keep in the spirit of the other hurricane articles, we should have a line towards the end stating Babe was not retired, and that its name wasn't used again due to a change made to the naming list, with the appropriate references. Thegreatdr (talk) 20:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

  Done Thegreatdr (talk) 21:48, 10 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Not wanting to start a precedent in the project, I'm going to fail the article due to the referencing issue. Once it's fixed, let me know when you resubmit it for GAN, and I'll pass it. Thegreatdr (talk) 00:31, 18 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

GA Review edit

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hurricane Babe (1977)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: 12george1 (talk) 01:32, 1 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

Lead
  • "Hurricane Babe was the second tropical cyclone and the first to impact the United States..." - You might want to change "the second tropical cyclone" to "the second named storm", because apparently there were four tropical depressions before Anita and Babe, see the 1977 AHS article.
  • "75 mph (120 km/h) and a barometric pressure of 995 mbar (hPa; 29.38 inHg)" - Please wikilink mph and km/h, since it is the first use of those terms; also link mbar, hPa;, and inHg.
  • "The most significant impact occurred in Louisiana where the storm caused $10 million in damages, mainly from crop losses. An additional $3 million..." - Add inflation templates to both of those money values, I am sure the inflation has changed significantly since 1977.
  • "Heavy rainfall in North Carolina, peaking at 8.99 in (228 mm) triggered flash flooding but little damage." - Wikilink in and mm.
Meteorological history
  • "Hurricane Babe originated from a tropical wave that exited the western coast of Africa on August 23. Tracking westward, the wave eventually entered the Gulf of Mexico on September 2." - Hang on, I am about 100% sure the the tropical wave had either crossed the Caribbean Sea or the Atlantic before reaching the GOM. However, in its current state, it looks like it teleported from the west coast of Africa to the GOM.
    • Not necessarily, it says it eventually reached the GOM, rather than jumped there. Also, there is no indication from the source where it was during that time so I can't add the requested information. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:58, 1 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "The newly formed system then interacted with an upper tropospheric cyclonic vortex situated near the Florida coastline." - Which Florida coastline? There is the east coast of Florida, the Gulf Coast, and the coast along the Straits of Florida.
    • It's clarified through the preceding sentence stating that it was already in the Gulf of Mexico. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:58, 1 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
  • "...a closed eyewall with an eye measuring roughly 23 mi (37 km) in diameter." - Wikilink mi and km.
Impact
  • "...including one F2 that injured one person and caused $2.5 million in damages near Hammond in Tangipahoa Parish." - Inflation template needed for $2.5 million.
  • "$500,000 in damages.[8] Throughout the storm's path, damages amounted to $10 million[1] with an additional $3 million from tornadoes.[13] There was no loss of life due to Babe." - Add inflation templates to those three money values.
  • You might want to mention that Babe was active simultaneously with Typhoon Babe in the West Pacific.
    • It has no significance to the storm, it's just a man-made coincidence. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:58, 1 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
References
  • Link the following publishers:
    • National Hurricane Center on ref #1
    • National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration on ref #2
    • United Press International on ref #5
    • Associated Press on ref #8
    • Hydrometeorological Prediction Center on ref #9
    • National Climatic Data Center on ref #13.
Summary
Good job overall on the article, all that you need is some minor revision to pass the article according to the GA criteria.--12george1 (talk) 01:32, 1 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the review 12george1, I wasn't expected to have this one looked over so quickly. :) I've gotten to all of your comments. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:58, 1 March 2011 (UTC)Reply
Ok then, I will pass this article of GA.--12george1 (talk) 02:32, 1 March 2011 (UTC)Reply