Talk:High Priest of Israel
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Was THE high priest?Edit
So he was "THE" high priest meaning that there have never been any other high priests? Or is Kohen Gadol simply hebrew for high priest? 188.8.131.52 20:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Copy and pasteEdit
I don't think it helps Wikipedia to have an article which is basically a copy and paste from a century old text. It reads badly, may be out of date, and edits which change the meaning end up still unsourced but people may think come from the original. I thought it was copyvio and removed most of it, but have replaced it now although I'm tempted to remove it again as I think there would then be a chance it would be built up into a decent article, which isn't likely to happen if left as it is. Dougweller (talk) 18:37, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
This was labelled as an image, I've changed it to hypothetical reconstruction. I can't find evidence that Hattin meets our criteria at WP:RS so may be removing it entirely. Dougweller (talk) 10:45, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
The strange thing here is that the copy-paste of this article from the Jewish Encyclopedia should change the English term "high priest" to Hebrew. There is some usage of Kohen in academic texts to describe the status of the Kohen family in post Second Temple Judaism, as you'd expect, but there's zero justification in WP:RS for the Tabernacle/First/Second Temple high priest being described in Hebrew. All the more so since high priest (unlike Kohen) cannot be pagan, kohenim of Baal, so there seems little added clarity in naming this article in Hebrew.
The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources
- Are you saying the JE doesn't use 'Kohen Gadol'? If so, let's change it. Mind you, I hate copy and paste because you get reverted if you then ask for citations, ending up with just one source. Dougweller (talk) 04:54, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
- Yep, the JE uses 'High Priest' as the title for their article, so there doesn't seem to be any excuse for the current name. What should the new name be? 'High Priest (Judaism)? Dougweller (talk) 19:47, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
- 2nd time, you are quoting from outdated translations. (see Talk:Kohen#complete name change). --חודר לעומר (talk) 20:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
- User חודר לעומר, it is not an issue of "translations," since kohen gadol is a transliteration not a translation; gadol "high" is not in any sense an English word. WP:RS prefers secondary, studies on ANE religion, etc. and tertiary reference sources, encyclopedia, dictionaries: these, mainstream ones at least, all use "high priest".
- Yes Doug, probably High Priest (Judaism), per usual Wikipedia distinction. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:25, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
- Done. Interesting that no articles link to this one. Maybe there is another article covering the same subject? Dougweller (talk) 05:57, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
More about sources of informationEdit
As a non-Jew, I think the article would be improved by a section near the beginning that discusses the primary sources of information about the High Priest. These would appear to be (a) the Bible (anything outside the Torah proper?), (b) the Apocrypha and deuterocanonical books, (c) Josephus, and (d) the Talmud. Anything else, such as archaeological finds or remarks in other writers in the classical period than Josephus? The present article is very much an article by and for convinced Jews. Wikipedia has a much broader outreach than that, however, so more attention needs to be given to the overall picture.
There must also be scholarly dispute over the interpretation of the primary sources, but this article is silent on such disputes. Human nature being what it is, the traditional Jewish interpretation of the primary sources is sure to have been rejected by some scholars. Surely, in the century since the Jewish Encyclopedia was published, there has been further study and discovery of information relating to the High Priest?
Finally, what about the Jewish temples at Alexandria and Elephantine? Did they have their own high priests, or were they subordinate to the Jerusalem temple? And what about the Samaritans?
Or to put this another way: this article as it stands does not answer the question, "How do we know this?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Floozybackloves (talk • contribs) 15:17, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
"Catholicus" needs in-line explanation/dating of why a Greek word all of a sudden appears. Linked article must be edited to reflect (as Catholicus stands now it is a nonsensical cross-referenceEdit
See subject. Spellung of "hallah, challah" should be regularized.
The shewbread etc. as depicted in the illustration were NOT inspired by the Arch of Titus. This arch depicts the Romans carrying these items from the Holy Temple to Rome. It also raises the question about where are these items now? Somewhere in the vaults of the Vatican? /Users/rosierosenzweig/Desktop/ts.jpeg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 16:42, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Scientific works, including those referenced here, do not capitalise the term. Only *some (!) Christian sources* do *when referring to Jesus Christ* as "the great high priest". The title should be changed accordingly. Arminden (talk) 17:46, 5 January 2018 (UTC) Arminden (talk) 17:46, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
- I agree. WP:COMMONNAME seems to mandate High priest of Israel. There's been no discussion about this. Read WP:RM. Maybe wait a couple of days and then just move it if no one objects? Any later objection can be discussed. Editing seems very inactive, which is another factor. Doug Weller talk 09:54, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
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