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I'm curious why this article was merged to this name, which seems to be the least used transliteration of the name on Google -

  • "Hijaz Railway" - 48 hits
  • "Hedjaz Railway" - 248 hits
  • "Hejaz Railway" - 1520 hits

I'd suggest "Hedjaz" (as the form most commonly used at the time of construction) or "Hejaz" (most common today) would be more appropriate if the aim is for people to find this article. -- Arwel 20:33, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I get:

  • "hijaz railway" - 434
  • "hedjaz railway" - 248
  • "hejaz railway" - 1520 hits

Probably just a Google thing.

There was an article called Hijaz line, which I expanded. I live in Jeddah, which is in the Hijaz, and Hijaz is the common spelling in English consular documents etc. as well as the spelling used by the Saudis themselves when writing in English. When I renamed it to Hijaz railway I discovered there was already another article, so I merged the better parts. I have no problem if anybody wants to move it to Hejaz railway. Probably logical, since there is also a Hejaz article. The only comprehensive book on the railway uses the spelling Hedjaz, which is a bit old-fashioned. Quite off-topic, but I've got a Hijaz/Hejaz rail-pin on the desk in front of me right now. Anjouli 20:48, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

And I've moved it. You are right of course. Anjouli 20:56, 8 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I'm not sure how but the page history of this article seems to have been lost. I wrote the innitial entry to this article some time ago G-Man 18:01, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Ok it had been merged from Hedjas Railway instead of being moved, so I moved that here to avoid losing the history G-Man 18:08, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

  • "Hedjas" is the old German spelling. Maybe some justification since the Germans helped build it. Anjouli 06:01, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)
The article started out as the Hedjaz railway, then got merged into another article on the Hijaz railway, hence the comment above about the most common transliterations, then it was moved back to Hedjaz railway and now has been moved to Hejaz railway. I don't mind which we finally settle on as long as we don't have long chains of REDIRECTs since I believe double-redirects don't work. Arwel 18:54, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)
And I have now edited all the other transliterations to redirect directly to Hejaz_railway. Arwel 19:01, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hejaz is probably the best place, as we have a Hejaz article. I thought that was where I left it after the last edit, but it seems to have been all around the houses since then. Anjouli 05:53, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

After a closer inspection of the history, I see my rename to "Hejaz" seems to have vanished and somehow it got back to "Hedjaz". How did that happen? Anjouli 05:59, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I think it should go back to Hijaz. Google shows that that's more common (over 46000 English-language hits as opposed to 42000 for Hejaz; it's also more accurate and here in Syria at least it seems to be more commonly used for the railway.

As to the metal sleepers used in some areas, the stealing of wooden ones wasn't necessarily the only reason. In many climates wood does not survive at all well, and thus other materials are often used -- iron or steel being the most practicable at the time of construction of most narrow gauge railways. This is the reason for them being used on the Eritrean Railway, for example. These days, concrete would of course be used. --Morven 08:34, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)


"Although justified as a "religious railway" to aid the Hajj pilgrimage, its true purpose was probably to cement the Ottoman grip on the region and foster trade between Damascus and Medina."

So now we're ascribing motives to the Ottomans for building this and saying that they had negative intentions relative to the Arabs. How do you know what its "true purpose" was?

    • ..err, because it's the shared opinion of most historians of the period and mentioned in almost all written texts about the railway? 212.93.160.7 19:41, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Lack of continuation to MeccaEdit

I thought that the main reason for this was that Abdul Hamid II was overthrown and his successor wasn't as enthusiastic about the whole Hejaz railway project. What do reliable sources say? -- Ynhockey (Talk) 21:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


Route detailsEdit

I noticed that the article [Hedschasbahn] on the German Wikipedia has much more detailed route information. I translated one of the tables. Any opinions whether these route-tables, and iother info from the German article, may be a useful addition here?

sorry forgot to sign! 17:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Another try. Bleddynefans (talk) 17:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Hejaz-Railway (Main Line)
Hejaz railway
Technical
Line length1320 km
Track gauge1050 mm
Minimum radius100 m
Maximum incline1,8
-6,0 Damascus–Kanawat
1906 enlonguement
0,0 Damascus-Cadem
Works
Damascus-Cadem–Halep
to Qatara
20,8 Kiswe
30,5 Der Ali
49,7 Mismije
62,6 Dschabab
69,1 Chabab
77,8 Mahadsha
84,6 Shakra
91,2 Esra
formerly 600mm-narrow gauge to As-Sawayda
106,1 Chibret al-Ghasali
to/from Haifa
123,0 Dar'a
Ghares
128,6 to Bosra
wadi
wadi
135,7 Nassib
motorway Amman–Damascus
border Syria/Jordan
140,1 Dschabir
161,7 Mafraq
185,3 Chirbet us-Samra
wadi
motorway Amman–Damascus
wadi
194,0 Salis
IPC-Refinery
wadi
202,7 Az-Zarqa
wadi
Rossaifa
street
Rossaifa
222,4 Amman
Railway Museum
Jesin-viaduct
234,0 Qasr
gallery
motorway Amman Circular
248,8 Lubin
wadi
street Amman–Airport
259,7 Dshisa
wadi
wadi
278,7 Daba’a
wadi
wadi
wadi
295,2 Chan uz-Zibib
wadi
wadi
wadi
wadi
wadi
wadi
309,3 Suaka
wadi
326,2 Qatrana
wye
wadi
wadi
wadi
348,4 Menzil
crossing
wadi
wadi
wadi
phosphate mine Abiad
M 45
|-
367,1 Faraifa
Phosphatw mine wadi el-Hassa
377,8 Al-Hassa
M 45
397,4 Dschiruf ed-Derwish
M 45
422,7 Anese
to Hischech
440,5 Wadu Dshardum
crossing
Ma’an Old Station) to Naqb Ashtar
458,8 Ma'an
475,0 Gadir al-Hadsh
487,0 Shedija
crossing
491,0 Abu Tarafa
500,0 Esch-Schifia
508,0 Fassua
514,2 Aqaba el-Hedschasije (Hattyia)
519,7 Batn al-Ghul
522,5 to Aqaba
530,0 wadi Rassim
545,0 Tel esh-Sham
572,0 Mudawarra
border Jordan/Saudi-Arabia
583,0 crossing
591,0 Kalaat Amara
598,0 crossing
610,0 Sat ul-Hadsch
622,0 crossing
635,0 Bir Hermas
654,0 El-Hazim
667,0 Makhtab
681,0 crossing
692,0 Tabuk
706,0 crossing
710,0 wadi Atil
716,0 crossing
737,0 Sahr ul -hul
743,0 Dar ul-Hadsh
753,0 Mustabka
757,0 Al-Achdar
773,0 Chamis
794,4 Dissaid
830,0 Al-Muadhem/Muassam
844,0 crossing
855,0 Khism Sana’a/Hachim Sana
871,0 crossing
883,0 Al-Muteli
885,0 Dar al-Hamra
904,0 Mutali
912,0 Abu Taka
924,0 crossing
938,0 Al-Muzhim
946,0 Mabrakat al-Naka
958,0 Meda’in Saleh
works & museum
973,0 crossingg
983,0 Al-Ula
994,0 crossing
1003,0 Bedai
crossing
1013,0 Mesched
crossing
1025,0 crossing
1029,0 Sahil Matara
crossing
1048,0 Zumrud/Sumruk
1060,0 crossing
1079,0 Bir Jehid
1099,0 Tuwaira
crossing
1115,0 Waiban
crossing
1126,0 Muderitsh
crossing
1144,0 Hedia
1166,3 Dsheda
1176,0 Abu al-Na’am
1194,5 Stabl Antar
1215,0 Al-Buwayr
crossing
1228,0 crossing
1245,0 Bir Nassif
1273,0 Hafire
crossing
1290,5 Bir Abu Jabir/Muhid
1303,0 Buwata
crossing
1309,0 Hafirah
1315,5 Bir Osman
1320,5 Medina
1322,0 Medina Citadel

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Hejaz railwayHejaz Railway — It will be more appropriate for the article to have a proper name as a title. Currently, that proper name redirects to this article. In other words, the request if for an interchanged content, with the proper name holding the main article, and this article holding a redirect link. Joey80 (talk) 02:31, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

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DefinitionEdit

There seems to be some confusion about the definition of the term Hejaz Railway. This article defines it as the section from Damascus to Medina but the article İstanbul Haydarpaşa Terminal defines it as the entire railway from Istanbul to Medina. Can anyone clarify this? Biscuittin (talk) 16:26, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved all DrStrauss talk 12:30, 9 September 2017 (UTC)



Hejaz RailwayHejaz railway – Per our MOS, article name is not a company or proper noun, plus most sources use lowercase. {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 22:05, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

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