Talk:Habr Yunis Sultanate

Wrong Information and Refusal to Engage

@Jones6668: it is clear that you have little grasp of the subject and have quickly read the Garhajis page and pages such as the Hersi Aman page and Isaaq Sultan pages which I contributed heavily to.

Here is a list of key errors you have made:

1. The Reer Samatar did not have a sultanate they are not even the leaders of the Habr Awal. The Habr Awal had Garaads from the Ahmed Abdalla branch during that time period. Later the Ahmed Abdalla switched the term to Sultan. As well Kirh who you call a King was a powerful warrior but no King read the source.

2. You messed up the simple genealogy of the H.Yunis Sultans Sugulleh Ainashe is the great grandfather of Hersi Aman not the father. You wrote Deria Sugulleh Ainashe after Hersi Aman in the establishment section despite Hersi being his grandson. Please consult the table drawn by Drake Brockman for the correct genealogy.

Sultan Deria's Geneaology

3. Coming to the Habr Yunis split from the Eidagale you're adamant didn't happen and call it original research. You don't dispute the oral history of the Isaaq collectively overthrowing Garaad Dhuh Baraar and Abdi Eisa leading the Isaaq at Lafaruug. Between Garaad Dhuh Baraar and Abdi Eisa there were no other Sultans of any Isaaq clan despite you saying the Habr Yunis preceded the Eidagale which contradicts this tradition.The Eidagale Sultans today still carry the title Suldaanka Guud ee Beesha Isaaq not Suldaanka Guud eee Beesha Ciidagale, Habr Awal, and Habr Je'lo. Meaning the title itself and tradition incorporated the Habr Yunis as they are part of the Isaaq. You did not dispute of Abdi Eisa uniting the clan which informs us that the Habr Yunis were infact under the Eidagale like the rest of the Isaaq for a time. As well a quick google search for Suldaanka Guud ee Beesha Garhajis will show results of Eidagale sultans only, as they carry that title as traditional leaders of the Garhajis subclan and Isaaq as well. As well if you read the footnotes of رسالة زعماء الصومال إلى الشيخ سلطان بن صقر القاسمي by Sultan bin Muhammad Al-Qasimi Sultan Farah Guled is described by him as the Sultan of Garhajis.

4. The capital of the Habr Yunis was never Berbera nor did the Sultanate control Zeila as you have previously edited in. Sharmarke Ali Saleh who was a Habr Yunis man obtained a firman from the Ottoman officials of Mocha and then violently deposed the governor of Zeila. during his 6-7 year reign in the Berbera he was allied to the local Rer Ahmed Habr Awal and was not dependent on the Habr Yunis sultans in any way and had his own fort and musketeers.

In your edit summary on the Habr Yunis Sultanate page you said "I won’t stop reverting this Eidgaale business."

On the Isaaq Sultanate page you also said "When will you learn Habar Yunis never broke if the Eidgaale, I will not stop reverting.

You clearly are not willing or open for any discussion and I would please like to request @Yamaguchi先生: to bar you from continuing your disruptive edits on the Isaaq Sultanate page, the Habr Yunis Sultanate page and the related biographies of the various Sultans as you clearly are repeatedly putting inaccurate information and are distorting things. Thanks WanderingGeeljire (talk) 13:19, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

YOUR FALSE INFO Stop harassing every edit I make. Your following me as if I’ve done something really bad. You claim that the Isaaq sultanate preceded the Habr Yunis, please provide me a source not a YouTube link kkkk😂😂. Never have I made a edit claiming that Deria succeeded Hersi check my edits first before coming at me I published an edit saying Hersi was part of the Bah Makahil And they are the offspring of Deria. You than claim that the sultanate was established in the 19th century however it is clear that it was established by Ainashe Hersi in the late 17th century and was carved out of the Adal sultanate. I have my sourcers. if so how could the Eidgaale or (Isaaq sultanate) be the direct predecessor. Your also deleting my edits on their origins like do you not agree Habar Yunis are Isaaq, because I’m certain they are. BRITISH WARS I’m also contributing to that section yet you just delete my edits when the info is all sourced you make no sense. Please don’t delete sourced info and stop deleting my edits thanks. Jones6668 (talk) 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Jones6668 address my points instead of claiming "FALSE" and using laughing emojis when I sourced them either oral or written they were all addressed please. You are not replying in good faith whatsoever. Consult your own edit here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Habr_Yunis_Sultanate&oldid=1007666409#Establishment to see where you messed up the genealogy. If Ainashe Hersi is the first Sultan and Hersi Aman which you incorrectly labelled as his son succeeded him, logically that means Deria who you mentioned after would have be a successor to Hersi Aman. You're so adamant that you're correct about the overall chronology yet are making basic mistakes despite having a genealogical table already included on Deria Sugulleh Ainashe's page which you've no doubt seen. WanderingGeeljire (talk) 01:22, 20 February 2021 (UTC) regards

Please let’s sort this out leave the page as it is. Jones6668 (talk) 01:24, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I don’t want this to get out of hand bro let’s compromise. Cause this problem won’t end. Jones6668 (talk) 01:25, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

You just deleted all my work you started this why’d you interfere. You just came in and deleted my contribution I will not stop. Jones6668 (talk) 01:29, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I have proven that what I am reverting is inaccurate and you persist on continuing to spread fake information.

You have now

1. After claiming you have the correct lineage order of the Sultans - now have put the order I correctly presented last night

2. Stating the Isaaq Sultanate had nothing to do with the Habr Yunis - you've now said it was briefly occupied by the Isaaq in an invasion?? then became free all without any evidence of this invasion

3. You have taken my edits from the Habr Awal page and Sultan Abdulrahman Deria's page and have created a Muse Issa section and billed it a break during the 19th century under Sultan Abdulrahman. He was born in the 20th century so how is what you're saying even possible??? There is no clan called Muse Issa the correct term is Issa Muse

This consistent inaccurate information is why I am reverting, until you can debunk any of the things I have listed you have no real argument and are just delaying. You are taking so many of my edits to expand the page yet are insistent that I'm clueless and wrong about the general history of the Sultanate. Respectfully that does not make much sense WanderingGeeljire (talk) 11:52, 20 February 2021 (UTC)