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Talk:H. P. Lovecraft

Former featured article H. P. Lovecraft is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed.
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Night terrors, sleep paralysis or simply recurring nightmares?Edit

I made some changes to the Upbringing section to better match the source but I'm still not happy with it. For one the source is a pop culture listicle with no references. Night terrors and sleep paralysis are very distinct, occur at different stages of sleep, and present very differently. Neither has anything to do with recurring nightmares which, and this is obviously unusable OR on my part, is what Lovecraft's own description in a letter sounds like.

Looking for sources, I find no mention of any such sleep disorders in online biographies. They only show up in pretty iffy pop culture articles like the current source. A Smithsonian mag article mentions night terrors and that's about the best I found. A couple other, what I'd consider unreliable, confuse night terrors and sleep paralysis and use them interchangeably. The only print biography I can access simply calls them recurring nightmares in the relevant section then, much later in the book, uses "night terrors" once in conjunction with "childhood nightmares" in a manner that doesn't suggest what would clinically be called night terrors. Anyone have access to other print biographies that may have something to say on the subject? Capeo (talk) 23:46, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Making this a good article againEdit

I just ordered just about every print biography of Lovecraft that exists. In the coming months I'd like to bring this article up to much better than the C-class it currently is. Help is welcome. Particularly with copy editing. Capeo (talk) 05:49, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

  • So I've spent a lot of time on the early life section in my sandbox [1]. As is quite clear right now the only source is Joshi's I am Providence, a thousand plus pages I'm making my way through. Obviously my intent is not for that to be the only source. De Camp and Tyson just got delivered and I am I'm going to start going through those as well. I'd like to see this article follow a structure more akin to typical GA and FA articles: a solid biography section with chronologically ordered subheaders, then themes inherent in the writer's work, and an influence section that is much smaller than all the fancruft stuck in here now. The article also badly needs a unifying of its citation style.
  • What I don't want to do is spend a bunch of time expanding the biography and then drop what amounts to a totally new article in there just to be reverted. So I'd love some collaboration. In my sandbox is two sections so far. The top is just an info dump with citations. The lower one is my first attempt to pare it down. It can be pared down more. My biggest difficulty right now, aside from some just some good copy editing, is balancing straightforward biographical information with how influential biographers find this information on Lovecraft's work. Joshi, fairly early, deals a good deal with Lovecraft's apparent disdain for physical affection. It's only in Lovecraft's later high school years that he spends a long time on his racism, hearkening back to early influences, that would require going back and bringing them up in Early Years section.
  • Long story short, feel free to comment here, or in my sandbox, and edit the lower section. 03:16, 14 November 2017 (UTC)Capeo (talk)

I know this is getting expansiveEdit

It needs trimming, and copy editing (and thanks to the editors that have already fixed my bad grammar), but I'm still of the mind that an article that's a biography should mainly be... a biography, in keeping with other GA and FA bios. That said, I expect substantial trimming will need to happen. For instance, even the section I just added. The UAPA was an incredibly important part of Lovecraft's life. More exhaustive bios go into great detail about it (Joshi, de Camp). Less exhaustive one's simply mention it. Somewhere in between is best for a WP bio. Right now I'm on the exhaustive end of the spectrum. It's hard to source, and I'm reticent to source, large sweeping proclamations about Lovecraft based on single sentences. A good for instance would be that a lot of the internet sources perpetuate a non-factual myth that Lovecraft experienced night terrors, sleep paralysis, etc., despite there being no evidence suggesting that to be case. That's one of the main reasons I'm leaning towards written sources as being the predominant sources at this stage. Beyond all that, I'm mostly looking for any collaboration and, at the same time, some approval I guess. Meaning, I fully expect significant trimming, I expected this article to be watched more than it apparently is. I just don't want, weeks of work now and more to come, suddenly reverted because nobody put forth their objections earlier. Capeo (talk) 02:32, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

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