Talk:Gulf of Sidra

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Why are the American pilots named, but not the ~40 Libyans killed in the 1986 bombings?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.129.57.110 (talk) 03:31, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Sources

This page is in dire need of sources as evidence. This is nearly as bad as me reading that Billy Mays wrestled a bear for a thousand dollars, but I am willing to accept it if it had sources. Ulgar (talk) 04:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

You're right. Although, a lot of the information seems to be supported by the links on the 'See Also' and 'References' sections. I'm not sure if that's sufficient for Wikipedia's standards. I'll try to look into it. Agsftw (talk) 08:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

• The National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (2002) "Sector 1.Coast of Libya" Sailing Directions (Enroute) for Eastern Mediterranean (tenth edition) National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, Bethesda, Maryland, page 6 say:

Khalij Surt (Gulf of Sidra)

1.6 Khalij Surt (32˚00'N., 18˚00'E.), an extensive gulf, is entered between Qasr Ahmad (Misurata Marina) and Banghazi, about 250 miles E. Several important oil terminals are situated on the shores of the gulf.

  The prevailing winds in the gulf are from the NW and NE, and they often raise heavy swells which pound the shores of the gulf. The ghibli, a hot and dry wind from the desert, blows from the S and SE into the gulf and often carries sand and dust. This wind blows more frequent in spring and autumn, and may last from a few hours to several days.

  The prevailing current in the gulf sets SW, at a rate of 0.25 to 0.75 knot, depending on the wind force from the NW or NE. During the winter, the current sets SE during the NW wind; in summer, the current sets NW.

  The current appears to form a clockwise gyre in the E part of Khalij Surt, and flows S and W along the E and S shores of the gulf. It turns N when E of Surt, where it again joins the main E flow along the Libyan coast to Egypt.

--Bejnar (talk) 19:00, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

U.S. ELINT Incidents

I added two paragraphs detailing two relevant incidents involving ELINT aircraft being fired upon over U.S. recognized international waters near Libya. I modified the last sentence in the first paragraph of the 'Territorial Claim' section to more properly reflect the paragraphs following it. If there are any issues with this modification, please let me know. Agsftw (talk) 11:06, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Name?

If the city is called "Sirte", why is the Gulf called "Sidra"? Shouldn't this article be under "Gulf of Sirte"? Gryffindor (talk) 11:28, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Per WP:AT, it should be under whatever the prevalent English-language usage in WP:RS is. A quick Google shows the current title beating Gulf of Sirte by 285k:181k, and on Google Books, it's more than 2:1. Wareh (talk) 17:54, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

It is true that in articles on military incidents in the 1980s, as well as in US military maps, the name "Sidra" of the oil port is given precedence over the name "Sirte" of the old coastal city. However, I have checked the Arabic version of the article, and reverted to the use of the traditional name "Gulf of Sirte" as in the Arabic Wikipedia. The Arabic version of both names is also provided and the name "Gulf of Sidra" figures prominently in the infobox. Xufanc (talk) 07:14, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm confused by this, if the most common English usage is "Gulf of Sidra", doesn't that mean that it should be the title on the English version of Wikipedia regardless of what the Arabic version uses? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.16.237.115 (talk) 15:39, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Article Digression

This is turning into a page more about military events then it is about the body of water itself... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 214.15.218.61 (talk) 12:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Who is who?

I have a some question. This video(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCkgjW_DXtc) says, both of migs were shootdown by wingman(he have shot both aim9 sidewinder & aim7 sparrow). but in text(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Sidra_incident_(1989)), one of migs were shootdown by lead f14. and shows lead f14 is 207.("Identifications of the Tomcats vary and the narrative above used the details from Air Aces.[2] However, another source identifies the wingman as AC202 rather than AC204.[3] Both agree on AC207 as the lead.")

and another source(http://www.topedge.com/panels/aircraft/sites/mats/combat.htm) shows lead f14 was 202.

and in the other source(transcript)(http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-46026.html), there is no 202. it shows lead f14 is 204(who have fired aim-9)

and I have old pc game called 'fleet defender' and in the game cd, it has another transcript of this engagement.(http://www.mobygames.com/game/win3x/f-14-fleet-defender-gold/screenshots/gameShotId,410637/) and in this transcript, f14's callsign is not 'gypsy 207'. it says, 'gypsy' is callsign of e-2c.

I don't know what is correct information.

thanks for reading and sorry for my english grammer, I'm korean.119.206.185.117 (talk) 21:27, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation needed

There is a Syrtis Major Planum as well and Syrtis Major redirects here. 130.234.244.49 (talk) 10:42, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Nevermind, Syrtis Major was already a disambiguation, but Syrtis major was redirect. Fixed. 130.234.244.49 (talk) 10:48, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 30 April 2019

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Gulf of Sirte → Gulf of Sidra – per WP:COMMONNAMES. The article was stable at "Gulf of Sidra" from it creation in 2003 until an undiscussed move in 2016 with the rationale of "Better English name". "Gulf of Sidra" is roughly twice as common in Google Books results (22,300 hits vs. 10,600 hits) and is the title used by Britannica. NB the sub-topics Gulf of Sidra incident (Gulf of Sidra incident (1981) and Gulf of Sidra incident (1989)), Action in the Gulf of Sidra (1986) and Gulf of Sidra offensive (First Gulf of Sidra offensive, Second Gulf of Sidra offensive, Gulf of Sidra Offensive (2017) and Gulf of Sidra Offensive (2018)) —  AjaxSmack  03:50, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

• Support per detailed and well-reasoned nomination. Unless there is consensus to replace all the other "Sidra" main headers with "Sirte", WP:CONSISTENCY would indicate that the common name is indeed "Sidra". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 09:10, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

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History or oil?

Gulf of Sirte is a still a better name because of its cultural and historical significance (Sirte Basin, Syrtis Major). Until WWII the name of choice was the historical name of the gulf (First Battle of Sirte, Second Battle of Sirte). The name "Gulf of Sidra", based on an oil facility, became relevant only in the last quarter of the 20th century, following the Gulf of Sidra incident (1981) at the end of the Cold War. Xufanc (talk) 03:35, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Anachronism in sentence

I think there's a problem with the way the following passage is described:

"The US claimed its rights to conduct naval operations in international waters, using the modern international standard of 12-nautical-mile (22 km) territorial limit from a country's shore as defined by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.[9] "

This event happened in 1973, so how can they have been referring to the standards of the UNCLOS of -82? I think this wording needs improving so that it becomes a bit clearer. --Peulle (talk) 14:54, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Etymology

So the "Gulf of Sirte […] is […] named after […] the city of Sirte" and "The Gulf […] Sirte […] gives its name to the city of Sirte […]"? This is obviously not possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:E852:C8A0:347A:7EE8:BDED:7A8E (talk) 06:31, 23 April 2022 (UTC)