Talk:Glossary of the Greek military junta

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This is all good and interesting, but is it "original research", or has it been collated from reliable sources? In the latter case, perhaps there should be some references. It would be a shame if this article had to go, for failing to comply to ocontent policy 85.75.105.241 14:33, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern. All of these terms are genuine. I suggest a rather quick verification method. Print it out and show it to anyone in Greece who lived under the junta, then ask them to verify the contents. Dr.K. 16:22, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

This is not only original research but also bad original research. Many of the slogans that have been attributed to the military government predate it by decades, in some cases. The slogan "Fatherland - Religion - Family", for instance, was also used by Ioannis Metaxas in a speech to regional commanders of the EON in January 1939 -- almost 30 years before the advent of the military government -- and there is nothing to suggest that this was coined by Metaxas since these values reflect traditional Greek society. Likewise, the slogan of "Greece of Christian Greeks" has been a popular sentiment amongst Helleno-Orthodox nationalists, and indeed the general population, for a very long time. Traditional Greek slogans should not be confused for military government ones, even if they were widely used by the regime in question. Thus, if such slogans are to remain, there should at least be notice stating that they were not coined by the military government. Other than that, there seems to be some gross comparisons and weasel words, such as those comparing the New Greece of the Colonels' to Huxley's dystopian Brave New World. That's clearly not a neutral tone, comparison, or word choice. Critias 22:40, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Great, if you have facts please feel free to edit the article. As far as weasel words etc I don't have time for such arguments. However as events showed the New Greece ideal was not only utopian, it may even have been naive. Pointing this out is hardly a weasel task. However please feel free to edit this out if you don't like it. Do I really have to point out the way of Wikipedia to an established editor? Dr.K. 23:48, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

PS. According to the introduction in the article it is stated that: The ideology of the military junta that ruled Greece from 1967 to 1974 was followed by the creation and/or use of special terms that were employed.... i.e. it is not claimed that all of the terms were invented by the junta. If you want to specifically point the history of each term please feel free to do so. Dr.K. 00:07, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

And just for the record. There is no confusion between traditional Greek slogans and Dictatorship slogans, because if the dictatorship used these traditional Greek slogans they became part of its Glossary, and that is the point of the article. Dr.K. 01:01, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not necessary to point this out (i.e., "the way of Wikipedia"). However, it's always a good idea to discuss proposed changes to political/historical topics that are considered controversial in order to avoid a misunderstanding. The fact of the matter is that many editors (especially those without registered accounts) of Greek political articles are reactionary and often ignore the good faith principle and revert changes they feel are politically-motivated. Hence, the reason for my comment. Critias 16:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Please rest assured that this is not the case here. Your contibution for example in the junta article about its legacy was great. We need many facets of the story so that we can properly understand its impact. Your comments above regarding the origin of the slogans were substantial. I made some changes to reflect the historical background you provided. But if you need to add anything on your own please feel free to do so unhindered. The glossary article can only improve from contributions from editors of your record. Take care. Dr.K. 16:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate the kinds words and I've noticed the changes to the article. Should I find anything that needs to be changed, I'll be sure to make the relevant changes to improve the article. Critias 20:59, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Great. Thanks. Dr.K. 21:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Translation

I suggest that this page be translated into Greek. It would be appropriate. Reinderien 19:31, 1 December 2007 (UTC)