Talk:General Roman Calendar of 1960

Sunday rankings

What were the rankings of the Sundays in this calendar? Which class feasts took precidence over Sundays? This should be mentioned in this article. 68.193.18.102 (talk) 02:35, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

See chapter 3 of the Code of Rubrics included in the 1962 Missal. Here is an English translation:

"15. Sunday I class takes precedence over all feasts in occurrence. The feast of the Immaculate Conception of our Lady, however, takes precedence over the Sunday of Advent on which it falls."

"16. Sunday II class takes precedence over feasts II class in occurrence. But

(a) feast of the Lord I or II class, falling on a Sunday II class, takes the place of the Sunday with all rights and privileges

(b) Sunday II class takes precedence over All Souls' Day."

This information is already given in the article on Ranking of liturgical days in the Roman Rite, in the section on Sundays. Perhaps that is enough. Esoglou (talk) 09:38, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

This still doesn't explain which Sundays are of the I class, and which ones are of the II class. That needs to be listed. The link to "Ranking of liturgical days in the Roman Rite" doesn't help, since it's not geared toward the 1962 calendar.

68.193.18.102 (talk) 17:18, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Sundays in Advent, Christmastide, Lent, and Eastertide (up to and including Trinity Sunday) are of the I class, and all other Sundays are of the II class. --HGK745 (talk) 04:21, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, not quite, because the Sunday Within the Octave of Christmas gives way to the Octave Day of Christmas (but the Immaculate Conception is the only exception for I class Sundays), Holy Name Sunday is an "empty Sunday with a permanently attached II cl. feast" (and II cl. feasts give way to I class feasts), and I have personally known of Masses for I cl. feasts (St. Joseph) and even the external celebration of I cl. feasts (St. Mary Patroness of Bavaria) on Eastertide Sundays. "Trinity Sunday" is a (I cl.) feast that falls permanently of the Sunday, the Sunday, as such, is of the II class and permanently impeded (by the Feast of the Trinity), but exists as a Mass formula to be held in the following week (the "First Sunday after Pentecost). Hence,

Sundays in Advent, Lent, Easter Sunday, White Sunday, Pentecost Sunday are of the I class (and if you will, "Trinity Sunday behaves as if it were"),

all other Sundays are of the II class.--2001:A61:20C2:F901:FD86:1638:E076:F604 (talk) 14:58, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Dates

For linking of dates in this article to be restored, the Wikipedia Manual of Style would first have to be changed: "Dates should not be linked purely for the purpose of autoformatting (even though linking was previously recommended). Dates should only be linked when they are germane and topical to the subject, as discussed at Wikipedia:Linking#Chronological items." Esoglou (talk) 09:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Where did the individual dates go? Why would anyone remove the list of names and dates???? 151.200.34.92 (talk) 12:13, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

As per WP:V and WP:NOTDIRECTORY, they were removed. Veverve (talk) 12:54, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Over the last several days, a user (Veverve) has been altering the wiki articles 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Roman_Calendar_of_1954 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Roman_Calendar_of_1960 3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Roman_Calendar Two people are trying the get the old articles back into order on the 5 and 6 of September. The first, Megalonzerg, says about the General Roman Calendar of 1960 "Undid revision 1108628746 by Veverve (talk) The purpose of this page is to show the 1960 Calendar of Feasts of the Church. Over several days, a "retired" user named Veverve has made a stack of changes, the first of which completely gutted the Calendar, making the page worthless. This same thing seems to have been done to other older Calendars. I am attempting to undo the radical damage. It seems I must do it in steps, starting with the last)", and The second, 7oto, says about the General Roman Calendar "Add a citation of Missale Romanum (ed. typ. tertia, reimpressio emendata) as the main source of the list of celebrations inscribed in the GRC. Change celebration names to names that are used in Roman Missal (English translation from 2011). Add citations of celebration additions and changes. Multiple optional celebrations occurring on a day are listed on separate lines. Canonisation levels (saint/blessed) are not part of links of persons." (Added 32,203 bytes included the January thru December dates) Now, however, Veverve is altering the website again. I DO NOT KNOW if he is a known editor, and it is a legimate user. Thanks you for looking in to this! Bob Tarver (talk) Bob Tarver (talk) 22:16, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

I DO NOT KNOW if he is a known editor, and it is a legimate user: well, I am a normal user, duh. Editorial disagreements are common, on Wikipedia. Veverve (talk) 22:29, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

OK, be nice! All of several persons are disagree with your edits about the General Roman Calendar of 1960 ... if your take away the dates then the "General Roman Calendar of 1960" become useless compared to the "General Roman Calendar" even though the user 7oto convinced you to add them back. I believe that you are going be overruled ... Bob Tarver (talk) 22:43, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

@BobTarver: other users are supporting my edits, including all ones who answered you at the Teahouse. Veverve (talk) 22:58, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

That is a shame ... I do not know if you and the others in the Teahouse deliberately destroy articles or not, hahaha, but the General Roman Calendar of 1954, the General Roman Calendar of 1960, and the General Roman Calendar are not usable anymore ... I shall have difficulty giving anymore to the wiki charity when they ask ... Bob Tarver (talk) 23:33, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Modern Filipino saints

Hi, I have reverted several Filipino saint additions for two reasons:

1. No sources provided
2. Post-Conciliar canonizations.

• Since it is not customary to accord feast days on the calendar to post-Conciliar saints (not even John Paul II) I must call into question those such as Pedro Calungsod. Thanks. Elizium23 (talk) 13:45, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Doctors

I don't think that we should list doctors named as such after 1960: there is no warrant, even with the CDF decree of 2020, to celebrate them as such. This goes especially for the Teresas and St Catherine, whose propers even in the usus recentior, are not adjusted accordingly. I believe therefore that St Lawrence of Brindisi is the last pre-conciliar doctor and all other changes should be reverted. After all, this is the page for the General Roman Calendar of 1960 and not of 1954 or 1969/2002, whatever we might prefer in our personal and devotional lives. Johnnygoesmarchinghome (talk) 19:56, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

At the very least, it seems to me that a merely ad libitum change shouldn't be made to define the place on the calendar even if we disagree about the implementation of the CDF decree. Johnnygoesmarchinghome (talk) 19:59, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Traditionalist institutes

In principle, such an addition could be welcomed, but it is unsourced and not comprehensive. Secondary patrons are omitted (perhaps for the best), and the Institut du Bon Pasteur is missing, despite being a society of apostolic life of pontifical right and therefore of some importance compared to traditionalist institutes of diocesan right or which are merely public associations of the faithful; ditto the Benedictine abbeys or priories, some of which are subject to the Holy See, others belonging to the Solesmes congregation. As it stands, the section needs to be removed or else sourced appropriately. Johnnygoesmarchinghome (talk) 15:48, 17 June 2023 (UTC)