Talk:Gali District, Abkhazia

Wrong sentence

The very first sentence of the article contains factual inconsistency and is misleading. - Alsandro · T · w:ka: Th · T 22:46, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

What is wrong in this sentence? Dinamik (talk) 23:41, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Whats wrong with the sentence? It names it as a district of "Republic of Abkhazia", fictional state that is not recognized by any country besides Russia and Nicaragua. Dont you think the wording might be at least slightly biased?--Satt 2 (talk) 03:52, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

There are Gali district of partially recognized Republic of Abkhazia and Gali district of Georgian Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia. They have differect boundaries, different officials and so on. Only names are the same. We should say to readers, about which of the Gali districts this article talks. If you think, that wording is biased, we can change "Republic of Abkhazia" to "partially recognized state Republic of Abkhazia" and "Autonomous Republic of Akbhazia" to "Georgian Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia" or "Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia in Georgia". I would like to notice, that Abkhazia is geographical region and Republic of Abkhazia and Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia are administrative units. We should mark about Gali district of which administrative unit articles says. Dinamik (talk) 10:22, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

But it is factually 100% true. What Dinamik says is correct. This article is about a district of the Republic of Abkhazia. sephia karta | di mi 13:59, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it should be renamed to "Gali district (Republic of Abkhazia)" then?

Btw I don't think that creating 2 separate articles for Gali districts is a good idea as, imho, all the info about both entities could be presented in one article (like it was prior to recent changes). It would be more convenient for the readers and we shouldn't forget WP:POVFORK. Alæxis_¿question? 19:50, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I think, that name "Gali district (Republic of Abkhazia)" will be rather appropriate.

About WP:POVFORK. It says about several separate articles all treating the same subject. Our two articles aren't treating the same subject. Gali district of Republic of Abkhazia and Gali district of Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia are really different. The only thing that unite theese districts is its names (moreover not in all languages). There are an examples of existing of pairs of different articles in analagous situations. For example, there are two Shushi districts: in Nagorno-Karabakh Republic and in Azerbaijan. Boundaries are almost the same, but not fully. There are two different articles (1, 2). You propose to combine articles about 2 different things only because you think that they have the same name in English language (it is rather strange for me, how official names of district Abkhaz: Гал араион and Russian: Галский район can be translated as Gali district; such transcription and translation aren't correct). In such a way we can merge articles about 2 Georgias (1, 2) because they have the same names or all the articles about Moscows (1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and others). Dinamik (talk) 22:12, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree that WP:POVFORK does not apply here, for the reason you give. I very much doubt that the reason why Alæxis doesn't want to have two articles is because the two districts have the same English name, but I will let him speak for himself. The case against having two articles is that even though the Republic of Abkhazia and the Republic of Georgia Gali districts are different entities, it is not strictly necessary to therefore give them two seperate articles and that there isn't an aweful lot to write about the Republic of Georgia Gali district. My opinion is that this article should be about the Republic of Abkhazia Gali district, and that for the Republic of Georgia Gali district it suffices to include some info about it here, but that if people really want to, fine, it can have its own article also. sephia karta | di mi 13:56, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

If anyone wishes to post their opinion about this subject should first review the geography of this location. All these articles are about the same place. Abkhazia's government modified its borders and slightly changed its name, but the geography is largely the same. Georgia's Gali District refers to the same place, which is now controlled by Abkhazia. The examples brought by Dinamik are inappropriate and make it appear as if these places are in two different geographic regions. It looks like someone's trying to push his/her nasty agenda on this politically contentious subject. - Alsandro · T · w:ka: Th · T 19:36, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

His/her nasty agenda My my, are we being friendly today. In fact you're scapegoating. Dinamik explicitly acknowledges that the two districts refer to roughly the same geographical areas. But this article is not about a geographical area, it is about a political subdivision, and there exist two of those. sephia karta | di mi 20:47, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Negative. There is only one political subdivision. - Alsandro · T · w:ka: Th · T 19:49, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Until the moment when Georgia recognise the independence of the Republic of Abkhazia or its liquidation we will have the divergence between jurisdictions of partially recognised the Republic of Abkhazia, which doesn't recognise Georgian jurisdiction, and Georgian formal administrative unit Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia, which doesn't recognise jurisdiction of the Republic of Abkhazia. There is Georgia - UN-state and there is partially recognised Republic of Abkhazia - it is fact, we can't deny it. Their administrative units are not identical - it is fact too. You said about the only one political subdivision - what political subdivision did you mean? Subdivision of the Republic of Abkhazia with 7 districts of subdivision of the Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia with 6 districts? Dinamik (talk) 05:10, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

In the yearly 1990-s on the east of Abkhazia there were 2 districts (Ochamchira/Ochamchire district (Russian: Очамчирский район) and Gali district (Russian: Гальский район)). Officials of Republic of Abkhazia broke up them and made 3 new districts (Ochamchira district (Russian: Очамчырский район), Tkuarchal district (Russian: Ткуарчалский район) and Gal district (Russian: Галский район)). Georgia didn't recognise these actions and say that there are 2 districts on the east of Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia: Ochamchira and Gali districts. Geography are partially the same, but are also partially and essentially different. I think, that my examples (1, 2) are similar to discussed problem. There are really existing district of non-UN country and formal district of UN country, which have close, but not equal boundaries. What does Georgia's Gali District refer to? To territory of Gali district of Georgian Autonomous Republic of Abkhazia, controlled by Republic Abkhazia, or to territory of Gal district of Republic of Abkhazia? There are two types of districts: really existing and formal. I don't think, that statement, that formal district is the only one, is less politicize, than statement, that there is also another district with almost the same name. I see 3 variants: to write articles about only really existing districts (in such a case we should also delete some another articles: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6), to write articles about only districts of UN states (in such a case we should also delete some another articles: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7) or to write articles about both of this types of districts. We can't delete one article and save many analogous: we should have the common principle of writing articles: to save the articles about all the types of district or to choose some another variant and to delete many analogous articles. I think, we can't delete so many articles without questioning of community. Dinamik (talk) 21:22, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, probably it's not a big deal and no great harm will come if both articles exist. Alæxis_¿question? 17:45, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I wanna complaint a citizenship of gali district . He has fraud me .im from nepal regarding visa he takes money and now he is deactivated . I have his identity and passport photo copy . Will you please take a report to gali district police . PRASHANT SHRESTHA (talk) 03:27, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Article needs link to another object with the same name or to disambiguation page. Dinamik (talk) 23:44, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Demographic

The majority of the population in Gali are not ethnic Georgians, but Mingrelians. I just thought it should be mentioned, because they are two different ethnic groups that are being lumped together as one here.--SergeiXXX (talk) 06:37, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I think the general consensus is that Mingrelians are a sub-ethnic group of Georgians, because that is how they self-identify (as Mingrelian and Georgian). Perhaps you have a point in the Demographics section, where the 2003 census results are quoted. In my opinion we should use the categories of the census and explain them, and thus give seperate figures for Mingrelians and Georgians. But realise that the census found that 92,6% of the Gali district inhabitants self-identified as Georgian, and only 6,1% as Mingrelian. (See the reference for that section.) sephia karta | di mi 15:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

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