Talk:Freshman 15

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I'd like to point out that the picture associated with this article looks like a representation of the thought processes of those with anorexia-- a thin girl looking in the mirror and seeing a fat girl. That is probably something we should change as a lot of women in college develop eating disorders trying to avoid weight gain. 68.220.210.88 (talk) 15:40, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I've written the Freshman 15 article (as based on a requested topic). Due to my negligence, there was a Freshman fifteen article, thus I've made an effort to merge them. This is my first time editing this much, please advice where I have went wrong! Thanks. olya 06:06, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm new here also! umm, but yup there are a couple of grammatical things that I would alter to ensure a clearer reading of this. Just want to check that its ok to go ahead and make some of the changes? Thanks (Sapient Vesta 03:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC))

article revision 2010

Hey I am currently working on this article for a school project. If anyone has any suggestions or would like to help me out with this article you would be more than welcome. I'm kind of new to this whole experience so feel free to lend a hand if you are interested.Benro129 (talk) 18:08, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

This article is very interesting. I never really thought about all the causes of weight change in college before. It is well explained and has a good amount of pictures to go with it. Rudy4rachel (talk) 13:50, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

This article is really good! There are a few punctuation errors, such as missing commas. The pictures and charts really add to the article! Clarker1 (talk) 20:20, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys, I found this article very interesting and informative. I made quite a few changes in grammar and syntax, adding a lot of commas here and there, but not making any revisions that would change the content. I do have a couple suggestions though. First, there were several errors in syntax. I would consider revising the 1st sentence under "College meal plans," the incomplete sentence under "College diet," and the beginning of "Binge drinking" (the wording is kind of confusing and ambiguous). Also, should "journal of adolescent health" be capitalized? Under "Nutrient deficiencies," it says that they may experience a number of deficiencies but only one is listed, so I don't know if you would want to add a couple more or change the wording. I also think that the section "research" could be moved under a different section as right now it seems slightly random or awkward somehow. Finally, the prevention section seems kind of redundant with every section repeating more or less the same information just worded differently. I would consider either combining the subsections or making them more distinct. But overall, I think that this is turning into a really good article with just a couple minor errors in grammar and syntax and some places where it could be better organized. Great job! Mitchel2 (talk) 00:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I think you did a really good job with this article. It was easy to read, but yet you cited well making it very credible. The only thing that I would change is to add to the Nutrient Deficiencies section. It is a little short, so I would either add more or just take it out. Other than that I think your article is very well written. It was also interesting and applicable to real life situations. Good Job! hersh016 (talk)

Hey this is Tyler from class. I just read the article and I thought it was really well put together. It was a very interesting and relevant topic and I think you did a really good job. A couple of the things I noticed were mostly already mentioned. The Deficiencies section reads weird so it may want to be added to or taken out. I also noticed that the very first picture of the girl looking at herself in the mirror could be seen as a portrait of the problems of eating disorders, not necessarily the dangers of the freshman 15. The only other thing I noticed was this sentence: "As frequency of alcohol consumed increased the Healthy Eating score improved." I wasn't sure if that was the correct statement so I did not want to touch your article. It seemed like the more a person would drink the lower the healthy eating score would go, but I am not sure on that. Other than those couple things the article was easy to read. The pictures were used well and frequently and the many linked words helped to clear up any questions that may have come up for a person who was not familiar with the topic. Good job I liked it a lot. Trod17 (talk) 17:24, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey :) I read your article and love it! It's really easy to read and informative. There are some places where the wording is a little awkward, so I would simply suggest reading it over out loud and changing some of the syntax. Other than that, this is a well-researched piece of work. Bmonicole (talk) 00:36, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I think this is a very good article! I especially like the way you not only discussed what “Freshman fifteen” is, but also how it comes about, with examples like college meal plans and dining halls. I also think it is important that you mentioned ways to prevent it, such as working out and calorie control. This article is very informative and well written. The use of charts, pictures and diagrams are also very helpful! There are a few small changes that could be made. For example, some of your sentences that sound awkward when read, but overall it is a great article. Donovank (talk) 01:05, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Worldwide view tag

If I'm not mistaken, the article clearly states this is a term used only in the US and Canada. Hence its not surprising the article is written in a US-centric POV. If there is no objection, I'll go ahead and remove the tag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Walker9010 (talk • contribs) 21:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Comments

A well rewritten article, but a cursory glance suggests that parts of the article employ a first or second person view point. The article should not employ terminology like "I", "you", etc. Before the article goes up the assessment chain this will need to be corrected. TomStar81 (Talk) 08:48, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate the feedback, and I have changed up the last section. I believe this is what you were referring to. Thank you very much for this comment, I did not realize that I had done that. If you would not mind checking it out to see if it checks out, I would be extremely grateful. Also, I was wondering if you might be able to recommend the article for good article review if it checks out. I put it up on the food and drink page before and it was reviewed once and then it was listed as closed on the food and drink page. If you would be able to help me out with this I would appreciate it. Thank you very much.Benro129 (talk) 19:19, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

you've got a lot of bare links that need to be enclosed with the title using the proper syntax. I've done a couple up front for examples. also, be sure to remove anything that is a personal identifying on the link. If you cite something off the Duquesne library home page, perhaps it is better to cite the article directly. Who knows how long Duquesne will have it on their library page? Be sure the writing is in the third person. Nutritionists recommend that students do x, or studies have shown xyz. Also, your citations need to be more formal; the ones from Helium are problematically formatted. Auntieruth55 (talk) 00:41, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I believe that I have fixed the tense in the article. I also have fixed the citations from helium as well. I am not sure what a bare link is or how to fix it though. Benro129 (talk) 14:00, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

From my understanding, freshmen 15 is not common in australia because the first years at uni in australia are not freshmen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.238.219.110 (talk) 07:01, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Nutritionists

The Freshman fifteen article contains frequent references to the advice of nutritionists. However, in the USA, the term nutritionist is not legally protected, so anyone can claim to be one. Perhaps it would be better to refer to dieticians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii (talk • contribs) 03:33, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

The whole article is filled with unproven claims and meaningless studies. It needs to be cut down to just the definition and some history. 71.251.40.65 (talk) 02:19, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Metabolism

Need a section in the article on metabolic shift. Adults in early to mid 20s, both male and female, undergo drop in metabolic rate. This might actually be more significant contributer to "Freshman 15" than either increased caloric intake or decreased physical activity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atikokan (talk • contribs) 02:05, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Converter not working

I looked up the script and it says there is an automatic converter. The point is, it does not do its job. 68 to 70 inches means 173cm to 178cm (and not 170 to 180). 95.23.42.226 (talk) 18:52, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Comments

This article seems to assume that the "freshman fifteen" is a real, significant, and undesirable phenomenon, and then goes on to provide numerous explanations which sound reasonable but may not be valid at all. First of all, 4 pounds for men and 2 pounds for women is not much, so even if it's real, and even if it is caused by cafeteria food, drinking, etc., it may not be so serious. Secondly, hold on a minute! Aren't 18 year olds SUPPOSED to gain weight?? Some of them are still growing, and many of them are skinny. Adolescent males notoriously eat a lot, and fill out; they haven't got their muscle mass yet. When I was a freshman, long ago, I weighed 140, as a 5'9" or 5'10" male. I suppose by senior year I weighed 150. That was an improvement, and I was still skinny. It wasn't anything to worry about, on the contrary, and it wasn't because of cafeteria food-- I was in fact living at home for at least the first year; I wasn't drinking a lot; it's a natural part of maturation. Finally, the explanations, though reasonable sounding, are very questionable. Is cafeteria food really more fatty than Mom's cooking, McDonald's, or whatever else the kids were eating in high school? In fact, didn't they eat in the high school cafeteria? And if it's true that college cafeterias give you free seconds-- that may not be true either-- what, didn't Mom do the same when you lived at home? What about all the other years of adolescence? Maybe they gain 3.7 lbs for males and 1.7 for females all through high school and college. What about those who don't even GO to college? Maybe this phenomenon, if it is one, has nothing to do with college per se. I don't feel qualified to rewrite this article, but I think it needs drastic rewriting; very possibly, 90% of it just needs to be thrown out as unsubstantiated and possibly misleading. This is the first time I can ever recall seeing a Wikipedia article that's so misinformed and misleading. 69.105.97.32 (talk) 00:31, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Origin?

Do we have any idea how old this term is? Doing a book and news archive search, it starts popping up in the mid-1980s.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 19:21, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Poor Quality Article

Many statements in this article are editorializing, unsubstantiated, or misleading. This is a very low-quality article for Wikipedia. TRosenbaum (talk) 17:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Debunked

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45123148/ns/today-today_health/

It may appear that something has to be done about this article, seeing how Fresman 15 seems to have been debunked... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.103.73.227 (talk) 14:50, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

It's coffee

The big change that happens for most young adults is not drinking or binge drinking (as this often starts earlier or not at all) or disordered eating schedules (at least not directly) or the attendance of college. The change is coffee drinking and much higher intakes of caffeine. In college, this is used to help with studying, often in the context of also working. Outside of school it is used to help with busy work schedules. As coffee is profoundly addictive, it doesn't take long to acquire this adult habit and addiction, which for many continues for the rest of their lives, as does the weight gain. Coffee causes weight gain by disrupting blood sugar control (as shown in real time in the blood after consuming coffee and breakfast) and elevating cortisol levels and by causing insulin resistance. Elevated cortisol is associated with gains of inflammatory fat in the abdomen. It may in the few hours after consuming initially suppress appetite, but the rise in cortisol demands food intake and this leads to food binging especially on sweets hour later. Caffeine and coffee also interferes with sleep and poor sleep has also been shown to profoundly destabalize blood sugar control. Additionally, coffee and caffeine cessation or even less use bring on a very painful withdrawal syndrome that can include depression, body aches, brain fog and of course, powerful headaches. The lesser symptoms of this can continue for weeks or longer. This, along with the rewarding dopamine high coffee provides and relief of the caffeine withdrawal syndrome that even short caffeine abstinence brings on keeps people addicted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.157.228.149 (talk) 13:08, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

A very interesting assessment, which largely rings true. In my case the coffee addiction came years later, after marriage and divorce, but coffee use seems to be rising, and starting younger, and caffeine in other forms is proliferating. I've even seen caffeinated beer! Many patterns change for most students, especially if having moved from home for the first time. I mention exercise below. This is a complex, even controversial issue, and whatever others may say, caffeine is a powerful, life-altering drug, esp when combined with refined sugar, and applied to still-developing minds and bodies. Adelle Davis died of bone cancer (if you don't know who this is, she's worth researching), which she attributed to her poor diet during her college years.

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Exercise

Changes in patterns of exercise have to be a factor, as well.  I don't see this mentooned anywhere, and yet college has not totally  changed in the years since I attended.  On that campus, students walked much more than they had in secondary school, and many rode bikes, but those who had participated in h.s. athletics largely exercised much less as college freshmen.  A few played more tennis, or skied, etc., but aside from competitive teams, the average student got much less exercise.  And exercise has been demonstrated to help with appetite suppression, not to mention calories burned.  Junk food consumption, like recreational drinking, can be comfort, entertainment, social, etc, while suppressing hunger and not properly providing necessary nutrients, as mentioned in the article.  The references are many, but the article has much room for improvement, as does the research cited.  rags (talk) 16:56, 17 September 2017 (UTC) rags (talk) 16:56, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

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Lack of evidence-based information

A good deal of this page seems to be conjecture and surface-level extrapolations of the cited studies. I will try to clean it up, but there is a lot that really should be removed. Mystagen (talk) 15:45, 27 July 2023 (UTC)