Talk:Frederic Remington

Early Life

He’s listed here as “Remington was a cousin of Eli Remington, founder of Remington Arms, considered to be America’s oldest firearms company.” Remington Arms wasn’t named that until 1888 (after it left the family), although the company made a high percentage of the light arms of the Union Army. Meanwhile, Eliphalet Remington II, founder of E. Remington and Sons, died at age 68 in 1861, the year Frederic was born (thus very unlikely they were cousins). However, Frederic *may have been cousin to Eli “Jr” (actually Eliphalet III), son of Eliphalet Remington II. But I don’t have that information. Art4med (talk) 04:24, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Depiction of Old West

A criticism sometimes made of Frederic Remington's paintings is that he was constantly painting 'Morality Plays' were the White man was depicted as the hero and the Native Americans as the villain. But is this so? What of 'The Whiskey Seller'? Few people could disagree that Remington's paintings were virtually U.S. propaganda depicting the Indians as villains. But 'Morality Plays'?.Johnwrd (talk) 03:23, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.46.23.52 (talk) 22:32, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

The Bronco/Broncho Buster?

Several times in the article it is written "Bronco" but the statue is called "The Broncho Buster" by the man himself. Which is to be used? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Souled4 (talk • contribs) 05:11, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Personal opinions on race

Don't see a mention of this in the article, though it seems like this could be important.

In a personal letter to a friend, Remington wrote "Never will be able to sell a picture to a Jew again. Did sell one once. You can't glorify a Jew - coin loving puds - nasty humans. I've got some Winchester's, and when the massacring begins [...] I can get my share of 'em and what's more I will. Jews - Injuns - Chinamen - Italians - Huns, the rubbish of the earth I hate." (source:Letter to Poultney Bigelow, editor of Outing magazine. Cited in David McCullough, "Remington the Man" in Frederick Remington: The Masterworks, exhibition catalogue (New York: Harry N. Abrams, 1988}, p.29

Esn (talk) 23:22, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Original Cowboys

The article states, "the first American cowboys were ... the ranchers who tended the cattle and horses of the American Revolutionary army on Long Island"

However according to Between the lines : banditti of the American Revolution by Harry M. Ward, the "cow boys" then were the Loyalist (Tory) rustlers in Westchester County NY who stole cattle from Patriot farmers to sell to the British Army. BRL-86 (talk) 00:10, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

References

I removed this phrase

"mostly women and children, were slaughtered after they opened fire on American soldiers. "

from the Wounded Knee Massacre section because . . . no one, I don't think, claims that women and children shot at the soldiers. I also substituted "killed" for slaughtered tho the latter might be more accurate. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 06:15, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Eva Remington

Died in 1918, not 1909.

Cuba anecdote

Was this not the artist who cabled Hearst "Lovely scenery, but no signs of a war. Am coming home.", and Hearst cabled back "Stay put. We'll provide the war." ? Valetude (talk) 15:25, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

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Aiding a Comrade, an oil painting on canvas completed by Frederic Remington (1861–1909) in 1890, the year of his first solo exhibition. Born in Canton, New York, Remington took up drawing soldiers and cowboys at a young age. After making his first journey west, to Montana and Kansas, Remington used his experiences to publish his first work. Over the years Remington was a painter, illustrator, sculptor, and writer, specializing in depictions of the Old American West, specifically images of cowboys, American Indians, and the U.S. Cavalry.Painting: Frederic Remington

paternal family?

Cite "His paternal family owned hardware stores and emigrated from Alsace-Lorraine in the early 18th century". That should be his maternal family. The citation from Peggy & Harold Samuels, Frederic Remington: A Biography is "The Sackrider family came from Strasbourg in Alsace-Lorraine. They were French and German, tracing their lineage to Christian Sackrider, an Episcopal clergyman who died in Strasbourg in 1726. His son Christian emigrated to Philadelphia." אביהו (talk) 19:10, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

The Remingtons were Puritans who settled in Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1635, originally from The East Riding of Yorkshire. This article needs to be changed to be accurate. I know this because I'm related to his father's family. It's not that difficult to research the Remingtons even back to the 1400s in England. Please change this information. 2600:6C44:527F:6395:EF49:7AF8:3052:8149 (talk) 04:07, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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"unfathomable, fearless, superstitious, ignorant, and pitiless"

The source for this is apparently The Big Cat Man by Jonathan Scott (of Property Brothers fame). I'm not sure he's an authority on the subject and think maybe it should be removed from this article. See https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Big_Cat_Man/y5zmDAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=unfathomable%2C%20fearless%2C%20superstitious%2C%20ignorant%2C%20and%20pitiless&pg=PA179&printsec=frontcover&bsq=unfathomable%2C%20fearless%2C%20superstitious%2C%20ignorant%2C%20and%20pitiless — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8800:4983:4701:6CBE:6D64:3C68:812F (talk) 21:23, 23 July 2020 (UTC)