Talk:FitzRoy Somerset, 4th Baron Raglan

Proposed for merge

The entry for Fitzroy Richard Somerset is redundant, but properly spells his first name (unlike this entry) and contains a useful biography. Lindmere 03:49, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I stand corrected on the spelling of "FitzRoy"; although the spelling is normalized in many sources, it's spelled "FitzRoy" in Debrett's, which I suppose is definitive. Lindmere 17:42, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Notability

Is the fourth Lord Raglan really "best known for his book The Hero"? I would think his Monmouthshire Houses, with Sir Cyril Fox, was far more important, and much more widely known. The article doesn't even mention this. I shall re-word accordingly, unless there's a consensus not to do so. KJP1 (talk) 15:45, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

2016 update

I am beginning the process of updating this article and sorting out some of the problems with the references. Readers may note certain claims removed, and this is due to the fact that I was unable to verify them. If someone can find a good source for the claims then of course the material can be reintroduced.Littleboybrew (talk) 01:44, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

As of today I have completed my update of this page. I heavily edited the section regarding his book 'The Hero', as I felt it went into an excessive amount of detail, detail which can be found by looking up the cited references. Littleboybrew (talk) 17:49, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Notability, again, and OR

Littleboybrew The section in literary works has one cite. This allegedly supports a claim that "Jesus matched a number of traits in lord (sic) Raglan". It doesn't actually do this. If the sentence means anything, it is surely saying that Jesus matched a number of traits identified by Lord Raglan as common to Mythic Heroes. Setting that aside, and the issue of whether the whole section is original research, I'm again driven to ask whether, in 2017, Raglan's book, The Hero, is really his chief claim to fame. I tend to think his history of Monmouthshire Houses, with Fox, remains the more enduring work. Thoughts? KJP1 (talk) 14:15, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

It's always problematic to state that anyone is "best known for" any one work, unless the fact is obvious and universally acknowledged. Why don't we simply say, in the lead: "His books included X.. and Y....". Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:30, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

A sensible solution, and I'll do so. Although, I once recall having a discussion about whether Nikolaus Pevsner was better known for The Buildings of England or Pioneers of Modern Design, which seemed rather surreal. KJP1 (talk) 12:00, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Lord Raglan's books have been on my shelves for nearly 50 years, but I was not aware of his works on Monmouthshire Houses until recently when I thought of looking him up on Wikipedia. I suspect that his anthropological works are better known among people who do not live in or near to South Wales. NRPanikker (talk) 04:16, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

NRPanikker - It’s amazing what one can learn on here. I’m biased, as I was brought up in Monmouthshire and my main interest is architecture, so I’ve read Monmouthshire Houses over and over, but none of his anthropological works. For this reason, I think Ghmyrtle’s construction is best. As an aside, have you thought about an article on The Hero? I wrote the one on Monmouthshire Houses as I found I was quoting it so often. Although, I've no idea whether there are sufficient reliable secondary sources. KJP1 (talk) 08:24, 1 January 2020 (UTC)