Talk:Feroz Abbasi

Replaced transcluded image with inline image - {{npov}} tag as per dispute on Template talk:Combatant Status Review Tribunal trailer image and caption

Replaced transcluded image with inline image - {{npov}} tag as per dispute on Template talk:Combatant Status Review Tribunal trailer image and caption. Geo Swan 15:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

"Uncreated world..." error

I have changed the words "..the uncreated world which is the Koran" to "...the uncreated WORD which is the Koran."

This was an obvious typo by the original author. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.54.218.111 (talk) 09:35, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

the excision of the identity section

I am confused by another contributor's recently excision of the "identity" section.

There was a discussion about the identity sections of the Guantanamo captives' article. This contributor had started

1. removing the references to the captives ID number from all these sections;
2. changing the format from point form to prose.

Other contributor's agreed with their concerns over using the ID numbers. I agreed to change the format of these sections, as I came across them, to eliminate the ID numbers. I've changed a dozen of so since then.

But I argued that these sections should remain in point form format -- as this makes the names line up vertically, making it much easier for readers to see how the names differed. I thought that this was the agreement those participating in this discussion had agreed upon.

So, again, I am very surprised that this other contributor has started removing these sections, without, so far as I can see, discussing it with anyone ahead of time. Geo Swan (talk) 23:16, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Once again nobody needs approval from you when making edits to this set of articles. Please do not forget that there are 650 different articles of 650 different individuals with different information and sources. Please have a close look at each individual article. There may be room and reason for such a section in other articles but not in this one. The minor misspelling in one of the documents here does not deserve a whole section that dehumanize the subject of this article no matter with or without the "Captive xxx..." IQinn (talk) 23:34, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

There was a discussion. You participated in it. Now you are doing something different than what was discussed, and I thought agreed upon, in that discussion. I make no apology for expecting a meaningful explanation as to why you are doing something different than what was agreed upon in a discussion where you participated.

You committed yourself, in your comment two weeks ago, on the wikipedia:help desk, to work cooperatively with others. I didn't say you needed my approval. I will say that if you actually plan to live up to the commitment you made you need to make a greater effort to explain your plans. The rest of us, the other contributors you should be working with, are not mind-readers.

As to your admonition that I: "do not forget that there are 650 different articles of 650 different individuals with different information and sources." What makes you think I have forgotten this? But I remind you they have elements in common. I continue to maintain that consistency is important. And consistency requires us to talk to one another.

You may be saying here that you agree that a section serving the same purpose as the identity section is worthwhile, for some article, but not for others. The rest of us shouldn't have to guess at your intent. If this is what you do mean, then I think it falls to you to explain where you think this dividing line is -- which kind of confusing identification you don't think is confusing enough to justify an "Inconsistent identification" section.

In this particular example your edit summary said: "remove the dehumanizing 'Identity' section with the "Captive 693..." alternate name is given in the infobox". Are you arguing that putting all the alternate names in the infobox is better than having an identity section? The rest of us shouldn't have to guess at your intent.

Consistency is important, collegial collaboration is important. I strongly encourage you to make a greater effort at trying to help other contributors understand your actions and your plans. Geo Swan (talk) 00:47, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

My edits follow common rules on Wikipedia and i have always done more than enough to cooperate. Once again do limit your post to the content issues and leave false ad hominem arguments out.

I told you the articles are different and some article may will have a "Inconsistent identification" section and others not. I do not see any reason for such a section here. Do you have any reliable source that speaks about "Inconsistent identification"? Or is it maybe an instance of WP:OR?

For "Captive 693..." Yes i think for this specific article it is the best to have the alternate name in the infobox. You may start a discussion based on that articles sources on that talk page.

I have given clear reason and explanation for the removal of this section in the edit summary and on the talk page here. Let me repeat my reason for the removal again. And please that is not a provocation it is a friendly attempt to bring us back to the content issue regarding the biography of Feroz Abbasi that should be discussed here. The minor misspelling in one of the documents does not deserve a whole section that dehumanize the subject of this article no matter with or without the "Captive xxx..."

I would welcome to have a civil discussion based on the arguments that i have given and the information, circumstances and sources for this article. IQinn (talk) 01:28, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

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