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8 Asian nationsEdit

A source that covers feminism in eight Asian nations looks interesting. It's Roces, Mina, & Louise P. Edwards, eds., Women's Movements in Asia: Feminisms and Transnational Activism (London or Oxon: Routledge, pbk. 2010 (ISBN 978-0-415-48703-0)) (ed. Roces assoc. prof., School of History and Philosophy, University of New S. Wales, Sydney, Australia, & ed. Edwards prof. modern China, Univ. of Hong Kong, both per p. [i] & cover IV). If someone has the time, it's probably worth adding to this article:

  • Indonesia (chapter by Susan Blackburn)
  • Philippines (ch. by Mina Roces)
  • Pakistan (ch. by Andrea Fleschenberg)
  • Vietnam (ch. by Alessandra Chiricosta)
  • Hong Kong (ch. by Adelyn Lim)
  • Singapore (ch. by Lenore Lyons)
  • Korea (apparently except for post-1950 North Korea) (ch. by Seung-Kyung Kim & Kyunghee Kim)
  • Cambodia (ch. by Trudy Jacobsen)

Nick Levinson (talk) 22:20, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Merge into feminismEdit

This article seems to cover the same scope as the feminism article. I propose merging the content of this article into feminism and making this into a redirect. Kaldari (talk) 04:09, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

As it stands I see your point Kaldari but there is a space for a discussion of the movement(s) in greater detail here. If not merged/redirected then this article needs a new structure and a new plan. If it were to continue to exist it could, along with the mess that is the History of Feminism article, be totally reworked so that that one discusses Feminism as a system of ideas and its history - History of feminist thought (I know sounds like a college programme but you know what I mean) - and the other documents the history of the movements - History of feminist movements. Just my 2c--Cailil talk 15:19, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
I like both ideas, with the caveat that focusing on movements per se is an ambitious project that I think may require virtually an all-new article. It's ambitious because it'll be hard to keep the boundaries long-term between the articles, e.g., one article can't say much about substance but would be limited to leaders, organizations, popularity, politicians' attention, etc., while the other would have to avoid those. I think it would be better to not try that kind of high-maintenance separation and instead maintain feminism as a general article with subarticles, as now. I previously favored merging (it was discussed on a moved talk page without a reply). After that, the matching feminist movement category should be merged into the feminism category via CfD (not yet proposed). I wish I had the time for all this. Nick Levinson (talk) 00:44, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I totally agree Nick - it's a mammoth task, and TBH it's as much focussed on fixing History of Feminism as it is giving this page a purpose but perghaps the best thing is to let this page as it is cease to be by redirect to Feminism. Another alternative is moving this page to Feminism and society as most of its content is related to social changes brought about by feminism--Cailil talk 12:52, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
I guess you're referring to Feminism in culture (if so, maybe we should make a shortcut to it from the above title). Nick Levinson (talk) 21:48, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Redirects were made (not shortcuts, that was my error from being out of practice). Nick Levinson (talk) 22:28, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
respectively no. the philosophy of feminism is different from the application of that philosophy in a movement. the ideas change over time, and the application of those ideas in the political process change as well. (and both articles need a ground up rewrite, with an actual outline.) Duckduckstop (talk) 18:24, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Sure, but how can you separate the history of feminism from the history of the feminist movement, and how can you explain the philosophies influencing the feminist movement without explaining feminism? The two concepts aren't identical, but in order to explain them comprehensively, they are going to end up overlapping more than not. Kaldari (talk) 17:28, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Problematic terminologyEdit

First of all your terms are problematic...Feminisms are a direct result of "The women's movement" not the feminist movement...please give credit where credit is DUE! [[[User talk - renay]]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Renay (talkcontribs) 22:25, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

If you have a source for that, go ahead and add it. But without a source it might well be challenged, because it's not clear how the feminist movement did not give rise (by either creation or focus of attention) to some feminisms. They may have been separate movements but, if so, they had a lot of overlap. I'm not trying to debate the point (talk pages are not a forum), but rather to encourage you to edit (in accordance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines) and to let you know that to say that one is irrelevant to the other might be challenged and thus would need sourcing. Welcome aboard and see what you find in your research. Nick Levinson (talk) 22:47, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Do you have a source...and I don't need it mansplained to me thanks. I am the source. literally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Renay (talkcontribs) 07:22, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

I just saw this and, yes, I'm male. An editor as the only source generally means that adding such content would be adding original research (OR), which Wikipedia does not accept. If an editor authored a reliable source somewhere and then wants to cite it in Wikipedia, that usually entails a conflict of interest (COI) and requires an editorial procedure before adding. Nick Levinson (talk) 21:32, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Overly WesternizedEdit

This article reflects a very westernized view of the feminist movement. At the very least, it should be renamed "Feminist Movements in the Western World" or be expanded to better reflect feminism around the world. There is also no citation for the initial statement that feminism began in the western world. Abergin13 (talk) 20:20, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

The lack of a worldwide view is already tagged at the top of the article, which creates an invitation for editors to introduce balancing content.
I'd rather this article be merged into Feminism, but that's an enormous project. Until then, rather than moving (renaming) this article, I prefer expansion for non-Western feminist movements. If you have sources, please add accordingly.
With respect to your last point, since the lead is supposed to summarize the body, I edited the lead to summarize what the body says, which is less and which contradicted the lead.
In general, feel free to edit articles directly without asking on the talk page. If your edits are disputed, then the other editor or you might come to the talk page. For a view on this style of editing, see the WP:BRD essay. Thank you for participating.
Nick Levinson (talk) 00:30, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

edits of September 19, 2015Edit

I moved (and corrected the grammar and style of) a passage on birth control conveniently letting men fornicate without having a child and tagged it as needing a citation, because it was inserted into a prior statement that has a citation to a source the abstract of which does not support the new statement. If someone has the full article and finds support for the moved statement, please cite and edit accordingly, and please check that the statement paraphrases what the source says, since original research is not permitted in Wikipedia, and please attribute what clearly is an opinion (not necessarily wrong) to whomever the source says said it, perhaps the author/s of the source or someone the author/s cite, so readers will know who said it.

Likewise, I moved and edited new content about Stanton and Reuther and marked it as needing citation/s.

I tagged two passages with the Incomplete Short Citation template because giving the URL only as vatican.va is not enough for readers to find exactly what is being cited.

It is common for edits like some of these simply to be removed, so please consider this as a guide for future editing in Wikipedia. Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your editorial help.

Nick Levinson (talk) 19:46, 19 September 2015 (UTC) (Corrected: 19:51, 19 September 2015 (UTC))

IntersectionalityEdit

I would suggest adding a section where Intersectionality is covered in regards to feminism. It is important to acknowledge how race, class affected the early stages of the feminist movement.

Aurelia elani (talk) 02:54, 23 September 2016 (UTC)AureliaElaniAurelia elani (talk) 02:54, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

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Women's MovementEdit

I need further information on this topic Akayaquinnzel (talk) 22:28, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

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