Talk:Fascism in the United States

So the neutrality is disputed. Care to point out how I have been un-neutral? I have presented both sides of the debate, and have not made a full-on conclusion that this Administration is in fact Fascist. This is not my point of view, but the collected beliefs of many across the political spectrum. If you'd like to add examples of Fascism in other American administration, feel free. I will continue to research and present more examples of Fascism in the Clinton and Roosevelt administrations.JJ4sad6 00:07, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

According to the text:

"There is a widespread belief supported by the research of political scientists and historical researchers that the United States now meets some or all requirements for a Fascist state."

Please name them and provide cites. I believe this claim is highly POV and factually not accurate.--Cberlet 00:15, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

I already changed that comment to make it less POV. In my belief, the article still needs a lot of work to reach NPOV but I hope I made a start.--Alabamaboy 00:19, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

This article is original research

The more I think about it, the more I realize this article is original research. Unless someone can produce references to articles about the United States becoming fascist (and not just to elements of that, as is currently done) I think the article should be recommended for deletion. --Alabamaboy 00:36, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Go for it! --Doc (?) 00:38, 19 August 2005 (UTC) This looks like a breach of Godwin's law anyway. Call it righ-wing or totalitarian - but comparisions to the Nazi's are pretty pathetic. --Doc (?) 00:43, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

• • "Unless someone can produce references to articles about the United States becoming fascist (and not just to elements of that, as is currently done)" So do you want articles stating that the US is becoming fascist, or that it IS fascist? I have provided links to several articles showing that the US was/is Fascist under Clinton/Bush respectively. Are you asking for a article from USA Today or the New York Times saying something to the effect "The United States is Now Fascist"? Because I assure you that is an impossibility but does not mean that this should not be included. There is no newspaper article that says Unified Theory of Physics discovered, but I am certain there is a wikipedia article regarding it. JJ4sad6 00:45, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Actually, there are a number of articles that you could link to about Unified Theory of Physics. I want to see an article by a social scientist or historian who says that the US is now fascist or has fascist elements. After all, in your first draft of the article you stated that this was a widespread belief among social scientist or historic researchers.--Alabamaboy 13:22, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Nazi Comparison? I fail to see a Nazi Comparison. The one who has broken Godwin's Law is you Doc. JJ4sad6 01:05, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Agree on keeping page?

Folks are messing up four pages now. Fascism, Neo-Fascism, Neo-Nazism, and Fascism in the United States. Can we please first agree as to whether or not the lengthy material on the U.S. should appear here or be moved in summary form to the Neo-Fascism page? I would prefer keeping this page, since it will be a magnet for revert wars.  :-) --Cberlet 14:30, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

The info can remain here for now. Eventually, if the editors can produce citations for this article, it can remain permanently. If they can't, then this page--and the edits to other articles--should be removed as original research. While I understand your frustration with the edits to other articles, no one should post original research here. In fact, it sounds like someone is pushing a politcal agenda with this article and the edits to other articles. If someone is doing this and pushing original research on the other articles, that is grounds for those edits to also be deleted.--Alabamaboy 15:51, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Fascism (United States) AfD

Fascism (United States) has been nominated for deletion here. keith 10:24, 29 December 2005 (UTC)