Talk:Famous
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Like I stated in this edit summary, it seems that we should link to the Celebrity article on the Famous disambiguation page, like we do for the Fame disambiguation page. No doubt most of our readers are looking for the Celebrity article when they type in "Fame" or "Famous." That's also why the Fame disambiguation page redirected to the Famous disambiguation page, before Clarityfiend created the latter on April 23, 2012. Clarityfiend's response to my suggestion is, "Celebrity is not synonymous with Famous; it's not even mentioned in the Wiktionary definition." And my response to this is: Whether one states that celebrity is synonymous with famous or not, the Celebrity article is clearly being used to cover the topic of being famous; it is therefore the article that our readers are going to be looking for when looking for a general article about being famous. There is no good reason that this disambiguation page should not link to the Celebrity article, like the Fame disambiguation page does. After all, if celebrity is not synonymous with famous, it's not synonymous with fame either. Furthermore, despite what Clarityfiend stated about celebrity not being synonymous with famous, the dictionary definitions of fame and famous[1][2][3][4] are the same, or generally the same, as the dictionary definitions of celebrity, and treat celebrity as a synonym for the terms.[5][6]
To get more opinions on this matter, I will ask the editors of Wikipedia:Disambiguation to weigh in on it. Flyer22 (talk) 01:46, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- Suit yourself. The Great Wall of China, for example, is famous without being a celebrity. (It doesn't belong in the Fame page either IMO.) Clarityfiend (talk) 01:53, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, good point about the Great Wall of China. But I have made good points above as well. Even if we don't call celebrity the principle meaning of famous, which is not something I'm arguing for (I simply copied the text that is used on the Fame disambiguation page), I believe that, per what I stated above, a link to the Celebrity article should be included on this disambiguation page. Flyer22 (talk) 01:59, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- Also, I should have paid better attention to what I copied; spelling variation was wrong. Flyer22 (talk) 02:03, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, good point about the Great Wall of China. But I have made good points above as well. Even if we don't call celebrity the principle meaning of famous, which is not something I'm arguing for (I simply copied the text that is used on the Fame disambiguation page), I believe that, per what I stated above, a link to the Celebrity article should be included on this disambiguation page. Flyer22 (talk) 01:59, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- Celebrities are a subset of those things which are famous. The Sun is bright, but not listed in Bright. Also, "principal" is the right word. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:05, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- I stand by what I stated above about linking to the Celebrity article on the Famous disambiguation page. And another editor, having provided a See also section with the Celebrity link, obviously agrees with me. No need for me to repeat myself on this matter or significantly debate this with you, making this section WP:Too long, didn't read for others who may be interested in weighing in on it. I don't see this matter as the same thing as Sun/Bright at all, considering that Sun and bright are not used interchangeably (except for when using the spelling variation sunny), are not considered synonyms, and therefore most of our readers certainly are not going to be looking for the Sun article when typing "bright" into the search bar. And, yes, looking at principal[7][8] vs. principle,[9][10] I'm reminded that principal is the more accurate spelling variation to use in the aforementioned case. Flyer22 (talk) 06:26, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
- Celebrities are a subset of those things which are famous. The Sun is bright, but not listed in Bright. Also, "principal" is the right word. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:05, 23 June 2013 (UTC)