Talk:FC Dnipro

Requested move 20 July 2016

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The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 21:31, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

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FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk → FC Dnipro – The city of Dnipropetrovsk was renamed to Dnipro two months ago. [1] 46.200.26.232 (talk) 20:31, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Qed237 (talk) 22:52, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose – The decision at Dnipropetrovsk was to not move the city and then the team should not be moved either. UEFA also says FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk ([2]). Qed237 (talk) 22:42, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose per Qed237. GiantSnowman 07:29, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose No evidence that the club has changed its name. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 08:29, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

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Name of the city

How long will posting of wrong information last? City has officially changed in May 2016. After that the decision was appealed, but it was not succesful and the name of the city remained Dnipro. Even though, there is no evidence of changing club's name, still it is based in Dnipro, not Dnipropetrovsk and so does the stadium. I don't understand the purpose of using old names of towns, which are almost gone out of use in official documents (I do not include here advertisments and some types of documemts, where it is used by mistake). Please stop reverting edits trying to make it right. RMN120501 (talk) 19:06, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Name used

Qed237 and Mapsed. There was a request for move protection at WP:RFPP for FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk. After I protected it I saw the page had turned into a redirect. I looked at the talk page and saw the three month old consensus above. I was intending to move it back but thought first to look at the reference given as well as the official site. The official site, in English is FC Dnipro. The source used above is not consistent. On the line belwo where it says UEFA it uses Dnipro, and that is the same further down the page in the match results, but on the line below that, and in the league table, it has FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk. So now the article is at one title and fully protected in the version (there looked to be an edit war starting) that uses the longer name. Start a discussion here and if further moves are needed or and earlier unprotection of the page before the week is out then let me know. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 22:46, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

@CambridgeBayWeather: You need to move the page back per the most recent RM above. It should not have been moved without a new discussion. Qed237 (talk) 22:48, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

@CambridgeBayWeather: Finally. Thank you. Qed237 (talk) 22:50, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Qed237. Next time give me a few minutes to check things out. And one ping on my talk page would have been fine. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 22:57, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

You both have seen the List of Ukrainian toponyms that were changed as part of decommunization in 2016? --Mapsed (talk) 23:09, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Just because city officially changed name does not mean we have to move the article. Qed237 (talk) 10:24, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

The club's name doesn't necessarily slavishly follow the offical name of its location - see A.C. Milan. The page should remain at its current location unless there is evidence that the club has changed its name. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 10:41, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

@Qed237: @CambridgeBayWeather: As in the article stands: "Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, the club took on the Ukrainian version name of Dnipro, the name of the biggest river and one of the major symbols of Ukraine." So, the location place - former Dnipropetrovsk, now Dnipro - has not been and is not a part of the official name, as you can see also in the Official Site of Football Club "Dnipro". --Mapsed (talk) 22:15, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Mapsed. I have no opinion as to where this article should be. Start a new section like the requested move already above and see where that goes. See Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves for the instructions. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 00:40, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

The first thing you see we clicking on the link given above (Official Site of Football Club "Dnipro") is a box next to the logo saying "FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk". Qed237 (talk) 10:34, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

@Qed237: First You see the official logo image: FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk.svg: no mention of the location place and then the box
FC Dnipro
Dnipropetrovsk
The location place with its former name and smaller letters. Hopefully everybody will understand now.
Sincerely, --Mapsed (talk) 16:10, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

It's not exactly conclusive. Ilikeeatingwaffles (talk) 08:47, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

The club's name is not Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk or Dnepr Dnepropetrovsk, but rather Dnipro/Dnepr. The city name is placed as an established convention that is all. In England Arsenal F.C. is not Arsenal London, but simply Arsenal. However, in the Soviet Union many teams were part of sports societies simply due to economic situation. And to differentiate them a tradition was established of placing a city name next to the team's name. There were other teams that carried the name of Dnepr such as Dnepr Mogilev or Dnipro Cherkasy among others. Following a transition in 1989 when teams were registering as separate business entities rather than a sports department of a Soviet enterprise, that tradition has stuck. But the actual name of the club we are discussing here is FC Dnipro. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 15:19, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

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Requested move 27 July 2017

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The result of the move request was: Page moved as per the discussion, and consensus.. —usernamekiran(talk) 19:40, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

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FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk → FC Dnipro – Per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sports teams).

• Since the RM request last year the team has changed its website: its English version now says FC Dnipro (Dnipro) with header FC Dnipro :: Official Site, without mention of Dnipropetrovsk.
• The new name is widely recognisable (the club was already referred to as FC Dnipro without Dnipropetrovsk before the city was renamed, e.g. here (2014) or here (2015)). Recent new coverage also widely calls the club FC Dnipro without Dnipropetrovsk, e.g. AS English, Futbolgrad, Mirror, Liverpool Echo. Unfortunately they do not enjoy as much coverage in English-language sources as before (they used to play in Europe two years ago when the city was still named Dnipropetrovsk and they are a third-level team now, obviously getting less coverage) but the FC Dnipro name is adopted at least by a significant section of the English-language media. The Football Federation of Ukraine also refers to the club as FC Dnipro (see UEFA Euro 2016 squad, p. 15 (Fedetskyi), 16 (Rotan) and 17 (Zozulya)).
• The name is not particularly confusing. Other clubs with Dnipro in the name either have a clearly distinguishable name (FC Cherkaskyi Dnipro) or have a different abbreviation (SC Dnipro-1) — NickK (talk) 12:48, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

• Support move per nom.  ONR  (talk)  13:40, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
• Support move per nom. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 21:38, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
• Support per nomination. This article appears in 42 Wikipedias and most of these have already moved the main title header. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 00:33, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
• Support. The city was renamed in 2016. 185.59.158.22 (talk) 13:33, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

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Renaming

There was no official renaming of the club from Dnepr to Dnipro, both names existed since the team became part of the Yuzhmash. Ukrainian version of the name remained official due to status of the language, not due to renaming. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 15:05, 31 July 2023 (UTC)