Talk:Eureka Rebellion

Loose Text

The text "30 miners and 4 soldiers died" stands on its own. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.47.199.254 (talk) 04:08, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Blood on the Southern Cross

It seams odd that the Auther of this article has not included blood on the Southern Cross under commemoration and legacy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gymsport (talk • contribs) 00:33, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

done --Biatch (talk) 20:34, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

New External Link added

I moderate the Culture Victoria website and have added an external link to relevant information about Eureka Rebellion.Eleworth (talk) 04:42, 28 April 2011 (UTC) It all started with a Noordam called Josh. angry people were happy and the happy people were angry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.57.15.45 (talk) 02:23, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

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2000

Why was the John Anderson quote removed? All the former deputy PM said was that people are trying to give Eureka a "credibility and a standing which it probably doesn't enjoy", which it probaly doesn't.

You'd have to be a real afficinado to have noticed "Eureka Day" go by this 3 December... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.105.54 (talk) 05:56, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

MADE and other comments

The last couple of paragraphs of the "2000s" section read like a media release from some mediocre government department or politician's office. (Let's pay lip service to democratic rebellion to pretend our current political system is genuinely democratic, as in aren't those fluffy wuffy lambs cute before we kill them to make chops and roasts.) Apart from that, it's a pretty shallow article overall. I'm very surprised to see the state it's in, considering it's one of THE most important events in Australian political history. I'm not an expert, so am hesitant to touch the article, but even to me, the problems are readily apparent.--Russell E (talk)

Temporary Protection?

There seems to be a lot of vandalism. Uberaccount (talk) 01:28, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Higgledy Piggledy

I have supplied a verifiable reference that an eyewtiness to the events of 1854 said the crude battlement known as the Eureka Stockade was "higgledy piggledy". I wouldn't have thought there would be any way you could say that was done in bad faith. Peter Lalor even said it wasn't meant to be much, just a ring to drill the men inside of.

Who says my edit should stand?

129.180.166.115 (talk) 11:39, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Australian?

Did you here the one about the Scot, the Yank, the Jamaican, the Italian, the Dutchman, the Sydneysider & some Irishmen? Much ado about Victoria, of little relevance to the other Colonies. Bunch of greedy foreigners: same thing as in Young in 1861.AptitudeDesign (talk) 11:38, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

POV?

The reference to "a swift and deadly siege by colonial forces" is POV, and incorrect. There was no siege, and the death toll reflected the fact that there was a rebellion; the government cannot be held entirely accountable for this.Royalcourtier (talk) 04:17, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Connection between rebellion and democracy

The article states that "Mass public support for the captured rebels in the colony's capital of Melbourne ...resulted in the introduction of the Electoral Act 1856". However there was no direct connection between public support for rebelling (mostly foreign) miner's and a new Electoral Act.Royalcourtier (talk) 04:20, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

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Battle of the Eureka Stockade

What do we all think about the concept of an article dedicated to the Battle of the Eureka Stockade proper separate from this article on the wider Eureka Rebellion?

Robbiegibbons (talk) 09:18, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2021

"Toorac" should be "Toorak" to fix a typo. Wakoinc (talk) 10:24, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:55, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Please help with citation needed tags

If those of us who care about this article can hook in and help clear the last few citation-needed tags then we will surely be in sight of our long-held goal of having it considered for good article status.

Robbiegibbons (talk) 04:45, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Bently/Bentley

Both spellings were present in this article, but I have standardized on "Bentley", by far the more common elsewhere. Doug butler (talk) 23:52, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposed sub articles

How about we take the sections on the "Battle of the Eureka Stockade", "Popular culture" and "Commemoration" and make sub articles out of them?

Robbiegibbons (talk) 11:45, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Not sure all of them would make good standalone articles. The first two might, but see WP:SPLIT on the process for splitting information into a new article, so that proper attribution is made. In addition, what is left behind needs to be a brief summary. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:34, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm happy to proceed with a separate article on the Battle of the Eureka Stockade itself.

Robbiegibbons (talk) 15:13, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Now that there are a number of sub articles can we remove the tag? Robbiegibbons (talk) 21:08, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Concern with source

This Sydney Morning Herald review of FitzSimons 2012 states that it might be potentially unreliable. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 08:35, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Second infobox

Should we add another infobox for all the links to the various sub-articles?

Robbiegibbons (talk) 00:37, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Aintabli (talk · contribs) 00:23, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Gonna take this. Aintabli (talk) 00:23, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	Most images are in the public domain. The rest are appropriately licensed as well. (Another editor raised some concerns.)
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.

Structure and layout

• References in the lead could be removed. Especially if they are for information only mentioned in the lead, they should be moved, and the information should be added to the body. Aintabli (talk) 16:02, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

• with respect to the images, I recommend the reviewer has a look at my comments on the licensing of several images common to both articles at Talk:Battle of the Eureka Stockade/GA1. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:52, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

  If nobody objects, I will re-upload the images without a correct tag if another one is applicable. Robbiegibbons (talk) 22:43, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

  Yeah, go ahead. I actually owe an apology looking at how much time has passed. Aintabli (talk) 01:46, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

  It's been almost two weeks. Forgot to ping you @Robbiegibbons as a reminder. On a different note, even without a set due date, this review is well overdue (on my part), but still, I will be able to give my full attention to this review the weekend after next. Sorry once again.

  But I would like to make some preliminary notes that you could work on in the meantime:

  1. It would be great if you could reduce the amount of quotes used, especially in Eureka Rebellion#Political legacy. This problem is not limited to that specific section, though. If there was a specific reason for the abundance of quotes, please do explain. But I really encourage you to paraphrase many of them.
  2. Not mandatory, but we could have some of the pictures to the left just to break the repetitive nature of the layout.
  3. This first meeting was followed by ongoing protests across all the colony's mining settlements in the years leading up to the 1854 armed uprising at Ballarat. This sentence is unsourced. Please check any other sentences lacking references.

  Aintabli (talk) 01:35, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

  Hi @Robbiegibbons, have you replaced the images? Aintabli (talk) 22:10, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Inactivity

@Robbiegibbons, @Aintabli: I suggest you start up on this review again. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1^{(The Garage)} 23:05, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

This review clearly just scratches the surface, but there are still some unfulfilled points, such as the unreferenced bits and the abundance of quotes. The first one hasn't yet been addressed, with the latter not fully tackled. Peacemaker67's review of a related article nominated by Robbiegibbons includes comments for images reused in this article, which weren't also addressed. All of these are about 2 months old. Peacemaker67's review of Battle of the Eureka Stockade (linked above) further lists several issues with regards to the sources, which were also reused in this article. Although I did not highlight them here, they were visible in the aforementioned review but not dealt with for 2–3 months.

It appears that I and Robbiegibbons chose to be inactive at the wrong time. I took this article during the backlog drive but could not give my attention due to unexpected circumstances back in August. Although not a full-on review, I (along with Peacemaker67) left some comments in October. Conversely, Robbiegibbons has not been (fully) active from September onwards. Looking at their long-term editing pattern, I hope that they will start being active later this month. I will continue to be lenient given my earlier inactivity and wait until January 8 next year for Robbiegibbons to return. I plan to continue holding back on the review in case I will have to fail the nomination then. Aintabli (talk) 05:00, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, thanks for picking this back up. If @Robbiegibbons doesn't pick up on the review, then we have to call it a fail and move on. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1^{(The Garage)} 13:19, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm still chipping away at it. What do we think about the number of quotes in the political legacy section now? And I will reupload the images with the correct tags very soon.

Robbiegibbons (talk) 09:33, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Robbiegibbons, the section looks okay. Could you integrate some of the standalone sentences into a paragraph? When it comes to the overquotation issue overall, I've counted about 20 quotes (most of which were quite lengthy) in the article, so this would currently be more of a concern rather than the Political Legacy section. Aintabli (talk) 17:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't want this to come off as if we shouldn't have quotes. The first half of the article looks good, but when I start scrolling down, it evolves into a repetitive structure of one sentence one quote. I would especially pay attention to portions where there is a cluster of quotes. Another thing of interest is that you might want to remove or replace some of the primary sources, because otherwise removing the quotes and paraphrasing might get tricky. Aintabli (talk) 17:57, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@Robbiegibbons Happy new year! I will have to fail this article on 8 January if there isn't sufficient progress by then. I believe that by now, there is a good amount of suggestions and issues pointed out. Aintabli (talk) 03:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

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