Talk:Eternal Sonata

Trusty Bell or Eternal Sonata?

The title of the article reflects the recent news that the game will be called Eternal Sonata for western markets. However, the original name of Trusty Bell is still widely and most commonly used to describe the game. Is it part of wiki standards to use the name which is appropriate to the market?

In the cases where the game will most likely stay in Japan, or if this were an article on the Japanese Wikipedia, then yes, the original name would be correct. But now that we have an official name change for the English market, then the English Wikipedia is better served having the official English name. 64.123.141.27 17:48, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Internal Inconsistencies

The panel on the right states a Sept. 17th release date, whereas the text of the article suggests a Sept. 19th release. Also, Spring 2007 has passed, so it is unlikely that the European/Australian release date will, in fact, be Spring 2007. More likely, it should read "While no exact release dates have been given for Europe or Australia, they are known to be Fall 2007 and Spring 2008, respectively."

No, spring 2007 would be correct for Australia. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 20:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I find it hard to believe that a Japanese game was released in Australia three months before Japan. That is clearly an error and I've been wanting it fixed for a while. Philtrauferson 03:24, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Check the blue links. They are the answer. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 03:34, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

ha ha ha. >:| Why not just answer the damn question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.148.165.45 (talk) 05:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Short answer: Spring 2007 has yet to occur in Australia. Long answer: Seasons occur at different times in the northern and southern hemispheres, caused by the tilting of the Earth. The strangeness will all go away when Atari gives a solid date, or at least a month. DrSturm 05:04, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I see. Then perhaps we should change the date to Q3/Q4 2007 to avoid confusion. Philtrauferson 15:04, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

My apologies for my "fixing" of the date; I had a brain fart and was thinking in terms of northern hemisphere (read: United States ;) seasons. I also think we should go with quarters instead of seasons to help avoid the confusion as Philtrauferson suggests. -Krellion 13:06, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Game Engine

Does anyone know the name of the game engine (i.e., middleware) used in the development of Eternal Sonata? Is it third-party or in-house? Aeonassoc 15:06, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Australian release date

I don't know what the Australian release date is, but I am pretty sure it wasn't several months ago. Someone in the know like to change that? 83.151.197.97 16:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

There is already a talk section about this, go read there to understand. DrSturm 18:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Exclusivity

Just to make it clear; Wikipedia is not a news site, a rumor site, or anything of the like. Wikipedia is to report facts, so please do not add any further evidence (only citable, explicit facts, please) that Eternal Sonata is or isn't exclusive to Xbox 360. Eventually, when it's known, we'll be able to add a whole section dedicated to the exclusivity controversy. *cough* DrSturm 15:08, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Update for Bamco posting: The message has been removed from Bamco's site, just as it was from the ESRB's, so there is currently no proof of the PS3 version to use as a citation. DrSturm 19:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

And the RPGamer news was updated to reflect this as well. Same with the similar story at RPGFan. Considering both are fansites (though granted, often able to get insider info), it's doubtful either of them have any more info than us at the moment anyway ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 19:10, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hrm, sounds like I made the right move by removing the ps3 as being a system it is for in the infobox... anyways, this kind of absurdity doesn't go at the top of the article, so I'm moving it to it's own section. -Aknorals 11:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

The game has been confirmed by Famitsu to be released on the PS3 in Spring 2008:

http://www.n4g.com/News-67122.aspx - User:Jericho1337 19:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

More evidence:

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/09/12/eternal-sonata-confirmed-for-ps3-by-famitsu/ Ishanz 20:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Famitsu says its coming 08 of spring... its not yet confirmed for a North American date but that does take the exclusivity away still.--Hitamaru 21:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I suppose it's fair to say that the game is a 360 timed exclusive? Ishanz 01:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Kotaku: http://kotaku.com/gaming/believe/eternal-sonata-confirmed-for-ps3-swear-to-god-299247.php Their source: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http://www.jeux-france.com/news21765.html&lp=fr_en&tt=url Joystiq:

Their source is PS3fanboy above, which sources also scans, however I cannot read the scans due to language: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=189397 I'd say pretty well this is coming out to PS3.--76.236.133.252 03:09, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Since the 360 fanboys can't take it until 100% confirmed, not just out of Famitsu like so many PS3 games have fallen to and everyone believed on Wikipedia, just watch http://www.namcobandaigames.com/games/eternalsonata/ and http://www.endlessnocturne.com/index.html for the official announcements. I would expect the announcement sometime after the 360 release date, probably a week or more to not lose sales. You 360 fanboys make me sick, but I am going to be better than you and use the official site like you asked and not get the mass of my xbox live friends in here to help me make some Wikiality.--76.236.133.252 03:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Indulging fanboys does not make you better than them; throw up the RPGamer link because it's been confirmed. Once Bamco officially announces it the references can be taken down. DrSturm 13:58, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Clean-up and citations?

I really don't get this: first I expand the article with the characters, then when asked I add an introduction to it, then suddenly the whole shebang should be changed into one wall of text according to someone's opinion, and now the part in the introduction saying that the cast features more females than males is tagged as "citation needed". Seriously, why would something that can be calculated with basic math need citations?

I'm also irritated by the fact that my hard work just doesn't seem to be good enough for some people. Why don't you change the text yourself instead of just leaving boxes after boxes? I thought that Wikipedia was meant to be a public encyclopedia, but apparently some perfectionists want to dictate how to adjust every word into the articles.

Sorry, but I'm just getting frustrated with the feeling that nothing I contribute is good enough... I'd understand all this if I was posting uncited or false things, but I'm not! SamSandy 19:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

An introduction doesn't change it from being one massive list. All of that could easily be shortened and converted into a paragraph or two, looking much nicer and reflecting Wikipedia's goal much better. The voice actors would be better suited for the audio section of the article, which, as of this moment, very oddly does not exist. As for the citation needed, that was tagged onto the "like in so many Japanese RPGs" tidbit. Also, much of your "hard work" is copied and pasted from official sources. As for why we don't change it; not everyone checks wikipedia when they have the time to devote to editing the articles. I usually check any changed in the morning before heading off to class, meaning I can only fix typos or throw "boxes" in until I get back. DrSturm 23:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

It's nice to hear how much you appreciate other people's efforts. Which seems to be none. Really, the game isn't out yet, so how can I put in anything other than what other sources have written about the characters? I know the list is long, but I think it's much more readable and informative than a mere wall of text that describes each character with few words. SamSandy 08:19, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

It's been out in Japan for a while. Not everyone on WP only knows English. And I think you're overreacting a bit. Remember that we're all volunteers, so we don't have to do anything more than we want to. Putting up "a box" is saying 'Hey! If someone else comes along that wants to fix this, here's what's wrong.' As for list vs prose, well we DO have a manual of style, which should be basically followed, mainly because the goal of ANY article is to get into at least good article status. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 11:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

You really need to take context into account. I pointed out that you copied and pasted because you claimed people were belittling your "hard work." It doesn't matter if that's all that is currently available to someone who doesn't import or speak another language, the point is that it cannot be considered hard work. You should also stop referring to a paragraph as a "wall of text." Or do you whine about novels for having "walls of text," too? DrSturm 19:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

"Controversy" vs. "confusion"

Let's just open this discussion up. I, personally, do not think that the PS3 situation would qualify as a controversy ("contention, strife, or argument", says dictionary.com). Rather, I think it would be more aptly described as "confusion" or synonym because there was no real argument, per se, just a bunch of websites presenting different information which served to confuse readers. Axem Titanium 22:06, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

A controversy requires no debate. It just requires a disagreement; everyone was in certainly in disagreement with what was going on, particularly as Bamco explicitly stated at one point (long after the ESRB fuck up) that there were no plans for a PS3 version. DrSturm 00:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Whose definition of controversy are you using? Remember the connotations of the word "controversial", which is used more in reference to morally ambiguous policy decisions than regarding someone being stupid and releasing the wrong information. It's actually more of a moot point now, though, since I've merged the section into "Development". Axem Titanium 01:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Encore Mode does not deserve a section of its own.

Technically, none of the game play sections should exist, but Encore mode in particular barely warrants a passing mention (pretty much all it receives in games with more involving "New Game +" modes that even were featured, such as Chrono Trigger). It just is not important enough, not vital at all to the description of the game play. DrSturm 18:09, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Why is it not important or vital enough? You never state anything more than, "because it's not", which is equivalent to "because I said so." --4.242.21.38 19:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Because of precedence; have you not read a single thing I've said? I've given examples of games with more extensive New Game + modes that barely give it a passing mention because it's not important. DrSturm 19:53, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

And why does that mean that it shouldn't be mentioned at all?--4.242.21.38 20:19, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I never said it shouldn't be mentioned at all. I said it doesn't deserve its own section (and you'll note that I don't believe game play should be divided into sections at all, it's not nearly complex enough to warrant such an ugly design choice). DrSturm 20:24, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

How is it an ugly design choice? If someone wants to know about, say, the photography aspect, they can click Photography in the table of contents and go right to it without having to wade through the entirety of the gameplay section.--4.242.21.38 21:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

A small tidbit DOESN'T need its own section. Saying it has a new game + mode warrents one sentance. Look at Disgaea for instance -- one short mention, and from what I gather, it's a larger part of the game than it is here. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 21:19, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I do happen to know that the majority of the game's 'Achievement Points' are only available in the Encore mode. The most you can get on the first play is 340 (out of 1000), so there are many sidequests/explorations available in encore mode. How that compares to other games mentioned in this section I don't know.

Not many; a majority of the game's sidequests. And that majority would be four. That still does not compare to many other games' usage of a New Game + function, in which there are multiple endings and threaded storylines based upon extra plays, as well as a majority of character development being carried over. DrSturm (talk) 22:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Caption of box art

I attempted to add yesterday a caption to the infobox box cover image (per standard method in {{vg infobox}}), indicating who the characters are on the cover, since, lacking other character pictures, this provides a nice image of the 4 main characters; someone reverted this information.

Given that I've not seen any good "cast" pictures and that it is generally inappropriate to use one image per character, I see no reason why this caption cannot be there. --MASEM 13:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Because that is the infobox. Not the game-character-description box. DrSturm (talk) 13:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

So crop the infobox, insert it somewhere else, and call it a game-character-description box? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.148.165.45 (talk) 05:40, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Storyline problems?

I was having a read of the original plot summary after finishing the game and it didn't seem to correctly reflect the themes and overallstory. I edited it to better explain the game, but a large portion of the story is open to interpretation so I've left these areas intentionally vague.

This is my first time doing this, so I hope I did it right. PlateSlitzkin (talk) 03:09, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

The problem with yours is that it's still far too long, and that it speaks in a person (example in last paragraph: "...we see..."). Wikipedia needs to be neutral. DrSturm (talk) 06:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

This game does not belong in the Cooperative Games category, as there is no cooperative (more than one player) content. Please remove it. Muuon (talk) 03:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Uh, yes there is. Each character in battle can be controlled by a different player (and holy crap does it make Harmony Chains insane). DrSturm (talk) 03:41, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

I have made the plot section complete, yet nice and short. Hope it's to everyone's liking. Feedback please. Ffgamera - My page! | Talk to me! | Contribs 13:27, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

ETERNAL SONATA European PS3 version.

I commented the situation of there are strong rumours about it, and added a link to a picture of the i assumed european cover of the game. [http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/976/eternalsonatarepriselb6.jpg.

It's true that Atari and Bandai Namco, not confirmed yet the european release, but whatever they don't say NO to an european release.

I don't think this is "Vandalism", it's not fair to revert an edit, using this term Masem you are offending me. comment added by Geemuoobaa (talk • contribs) 20:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

A random image is not a citation, and Wikipedia does not a breeding ground for rumours. Now, if several news sites had rumoured the release, then you would be able to say it. But not until then, got it? DrSturm (talk) 21:06, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, replacing random words in an article with nonsense is vandalism, even if you are including something of worthwhile elsewhere. --MASEM 21:09, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Got it, DrSturm. Masem let me tell you, i'm NOT replaced ANYTHING, just ADDED something, ¿do you read the things before delete it?. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geemuoobaa (talk • contribs) 21:55, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

This is your first edit to the page. Please explain what all the "La-Lu-Li" things are - that type of replacement is considered vandalism. --MASEM 22:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I see that all those came from a previous edit of the page which you may have edited from , but you need to make sure that if you get edit conflict warnings or if you start from the non-latest version of the page to make sure that you aren't keeping around past vandalisms and use edit summaries appropriately. --MASEM 22:13, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Before you'll delete again, i'm here again with new info. You should take a look to the link i'm providing. Very Clear: Eternal Sonata (NBG) is in the list of games compatibles with DUALSHOCK 3. There's no say Trusty Bell, say Eternal Sonata referring to the US/EUR edition. And the link it's from Sony UK, it's official. Well, more info will be expected on E3. And this time i have official source of information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geemuoobaa (talk • contribs) 20:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

You don't like the fact that Eternal Sonata will be on PS3, sorry it's not my problem, but if you persist on the undo, i will persist on the redo. You not have right to delete something only because you don't like it. I'm telling the truth, if the list only reflects names of japanese games, why is also listed "Battle Fantasia" a game to be released out of japan yet and the name of the european distributor (505 Games)?. Soon both games will have a PEGI rating (european rating system) when this happens, what will be your excuse?

Sorry but i don't like no-sense discussions. From now on, i'm only will talk when going to add new information, meanwhile i will redo the times are necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geemuoobaa (talk • contribs) 16:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please, tell me what I do and do not like. Whether the game is on the PS3 or not is entirely irrelevant to this - the game (at least at the time of my last undo) was not confirmed for Europe in any way. There were only rumors and slips, neither of which can be used in a wikipedia article except in passing; "also, several sources have slipped that...[list of citations]". Wikipedia is not a rumor site, and it is always a rumor until there is an official announcement. DrSturm (talk) 21:23, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, my mistake. It still hasn't been confirmed for Europe. Removing. DrSturm (talk) 21:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I would reiterate: a controller website is not official, not when PS3 games are region free. I have sought a third opinion, so no more reverting until we get their input. DrSturm (talk) 19:14, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Third opinion? Okay. Using the references cited as well as a bit of searching, I would say that a European release is likely, but not entirely certain. One thing to note is that on a similar list of titles that are DualShock 3 compatible on the North American Playstation homesite [1] does not yet have Eternal Sonata listed. The fact that the game ended up listed on the UK site before the US site might be a sign pointing towards a European release, emphasis on "might." Also, an online game store is not a reliable source for a release date. In my opinion, we would need to wait for an official press release to be definitely sure about release and release date.Enyce02941 (talk) 19:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, let me make an addendum. Looking back through the edit summaries on the page's History section, I note that DrSturm made the claim that the PS3 was region-free and therefore a single notification on the Euro PS website wan't enough. However, this is a misconception from the American point of view, which I initially followed, as well. Because Japan and America occupy Region A of the Blu-ray distribution, the Playstation 3 is practically region-free for American gamers who want to import directly from Japan. However, Europe occupies Blu-ray territory B. A listing on the European PS official site for Eternal Sonata would imply that the game is going to be produced on Region B Blu-ray discs to be compatible with European PS3's. In short, the European listing of games compatible with the DualShock 3 should be a solid confirmation of the game's release in that specific territory. However, editors should still wait for first-party confirmation of a release date rather than retailers. Enyce02941 (talk) 03:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

PS3/PSP games: Japan and Europe share Region 2, (US Region 1). DVD Movies: Japan and Europe share Region 2, (US Region 1). UMD Movies: Japan and Europe share Region 2, (US Region 1). Blu-ray Movies: Japan and US share Region A, (Europe Region B).

Obviously PS3/PSP consoles are region-free for games, but not for movies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geemuoobaa (talk • contribs) 12:27, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Statement about E.S Being Semi-Confirmed on PS3

That statement is wrong. I've just read on RPGamer that they [Namco Bandai] have fully confirmed in E3 '08 that Eternal Sonata will indeed be released on PS3 later this fall.

Don't believe me? Check this article for yourself [2]Zeta Nova 11:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC).

Namco Bandai's Press Release of Eternal Sonata on PS3

Here's the official statement

Santa Clara, Calif., (July 15, 2008) – Leading video games publisher and developer NAMCO BANDAI Games America Inc., today announced Eternal Sonata™ for the PLAYSTATION®3 computer entertainment system. An award-winning role-playing game inspired by the life of legendary composer Frederic Chopin, Eternal Sonata is set to arrive on the PLAYSTATION 3 system this fall with new quests, new playable characters, new music and more.

A unique role-playing experience, Eternal Sonata lets gamers travel with 19th century composer Frederic Chopin as he explores a magical dream world during his final hours among the living. Utilizing a breathtaking cel-shaded graphics engine that gives form to the ethereal beauty of Chopin’s music, the game transports players to a vivid world inhabited by brave heroes, fearsome monsters and stunning environments. The game’s fast-paced battle system features an innovative “light and dark” mechanic which allows players to execute different special attacks depending on whether they stand in light or shadow, and transforms enemies into new and fearsome forms. Combining turn-based and real-time elements, this system allows for creative strategy and engaging action in each encounter, breaking new ground in the role-playing genre.

Originally released for the Xbox 360® video game and entertainment system from Microsoft, Eternal Sonata arrives on the PLAYSTATION 3 system with a wide selection of new game content, and new cut-scenes and features. The game’s roster of playable characters expands with the addition of Serenade and Crescendo, and players can now customize the look of members of their party with a variety of new outfits. Players can also enjoy several all-new dungeons, and even experience different endings.

Critically acclaimed upon its original 2007 release, Eternal Sonata was selected as “Best Role-Playing Game” by GameTrailers.com and received “Best Artistic Design” honors from IGN.com at E3 2007. The game was also chosen as a runner-up in the role-playing game category at the Spike TV 2007 Video Game Awards.

Eternal Sonata will launch for the PLAYSTATION 3 this fall and is currently available in stores for the Xbox 360. For more information, please visit eternalsonata.namcobandaigames.com.

Thanks to GameFAQs board member; C Hiroki

Zeta Nova 11:58, 15 July 2008 (UTC).

Thanks for the info Zeta Nova, now if you let me, i'm going to change the "semi-confirmed" status to the "confirmed" status, and the orientative release date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geemuoobaa (talk • contribs) 01:08, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Ha ha, you run fast. Meanwhile, i'm waiting for the press release for Europe, but the game keep "semi-confirmed" for Europe, don't delete that please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geemuoobaa (talk • contribs) 01:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Haha you guys got me there. Zeta Nova 19:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC).

Synopsis Length

Is there any way to shorten the ridiculously long plot summary included in this article? Terrx (talk) 22:51, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Done! Feedback please! Ffgamera - My page! | Talk to me! | Contribs 13:29, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Why is it called "Trusty Bell" in Japanese and "Eternal Sonata" in English?

I was searching the internet for this information and thought it might be useful if someone could include it in the Wikipedia article. I read on a Gamefaqs message board that "Trusty" are a very big part of the story in the Japanese version, but were left out of the English version. Can anyone cite something from the Japanese version to indicate the meaning of the original name? Thanks! 173.70.171.124 (talk) 03:49, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Joseph

Trusty is merely the Japanese name for "Astra" and the Magic stat. The "Bell" part refers to the striking that is heard when Chopin dies. DrSturm (talk) 06:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Re-addition of Character Section

I have re-added the section on characters from an older revision. There is no reason to remove the section when nearly every other game in the genre gets its own roster listed, and it is certainly one of the more useful sections to list when trying to find voice actors or basic character information in general. This is especially true given how difficult it often is to find a game's voice actors even on its own official webpage. Tasogare (talk) 16:47, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

PC-version?

I see someone has added "PC" to the list of platforms, and a "TBC"-date as the release for a PC-version. Couldn't find anything about this game coming to PC, wondering if anyone got any other info about this? (mainly I'm just interested, since I wanna play the new parts that are only in the PS3 version and I'm not gonna purchase a PS3 just for that)> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.226.3.26 (talk) 20:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Reference material

While digging through the online print archive, I located the following print reviews for this game:

• Play Magazine review
• Game Informer review

I hope these are helpful. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 04:18, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

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