Talk:Egypt–Israel peace treaty

Egyptian-Israeli

Hello, I'm not sure where to put this on the talk page, but I would like to inquire why this article fails to follow basic principles of alphabetical order. This page should be entitled the "Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty", or at least the "Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty". I have been researching the issue at length, and no standard exists for referring to the treaty (for instance sometimes the order is reversed as is seen here), but in lack of an adequate standard, I feel that it would be alphabetically/politically/internationally correct to place the countries in alphabetical order. By placing Israel first instead of alphabetical order, it seems to suggest that Israel was either the initiator or played a larger part in the negotiations.

I have no idea how to fix the naming of a page, so I'll leave that to be discussed or enacted by someone else.

Adtrace (talk) 16:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Good point, though not sure if it's an MoS convention. I'll put in a request for it. — Zerida ☥ 23:10, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Done, people, done. Mohamed Magdy, Thank You! (talk) 07:57, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

incorrect name of article

name of article should be changed. treaty is between countries, not between people. it is "egypt-israel peace treaty"

don't have time right just now to put in request for change (and not being registered i don't think i can make that change myself). will try to return later to put in change request. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.238.134 (talk) 04:38, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

That's just been done by me 1 minute ago. Mohamed Magdy, Thank You! (talk) 07:57, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Text of treaty

I deleted the text of the treaty and I wanted to explain why. The main reason is Wikipedia:Do not include the full text of lengthy primary sources. In that guideline, it says in so many words "do not include the text of a treaty". It is appropriate to quote from or offer reliable third-party sources' analysis of the various parts of the treaty, but we don't include the entire text. --Hnsampat (talk) 13:08, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Soem idiot revoked your deletion. I will do the honours in a minute - I too feel that the text of the treaty is irrelevant when there are two or three links already to the treaty! --Thehistorian10 (talk) 19:53, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Friction

On what basis is this disputed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeetg (talk • contribs) 06:42, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

First, I question whether current state of relations has any place in article on the peace treaty. Could better be dealt with in other articles, particularly since an article on exactly this topic already exists. See Egypt-Israel relations. Second, characterization as "uneasy peace" isn't particularly meaningful and seems to express a particular point of view. What is an "uneasy peace"? Does the phrase mean that war is likely to break out again between the two countries? At this time, that scenario seems extremely unlikely, at least to me. Third, the whole section is original research, putting together some disparate issues to make a point. For all of the above reasons, this section mars an otherwise pretty good article and I suggest deleting it. --Sjsilverman (talk) 18:20, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Firstly, it relates to topic as it questions the effectiveness of the treaty. Uneasy- meaning there is considerable friction between the two. And as to your next point, all it takes is a leadership change to head in exactly that direction. The fact that it is 'Original' does not make it inaccurate or untrue. And there are many, many more such 'issues' to back up this point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeetg (talk • contribs) 04:21, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Of course being original research doesn't make something untrue. It does, however, make it inappropriate for wikipedia. See Wikipedia:No original research. In any event, perhaps we could agree that the topic of this section should be addressed in Egypt-Israel relations. --Sjsilverman (talk) 22:03, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Good point I guess, so I googled the topic, and turns out it is not so original after all (guess I will not be nominated professor of the year) - check the quotes

And this should be mentioned also on the other page, just must get the time to do it as it is a much longer topic to edit. However as I say I think mention of it on this page is also relevant as it is all regarding the attitude of the people to the treaty.

Also, I have a feeling that in a few days this may turn in to a big problem considering the situation there at the --moment.-- Mikeetg (talk— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeetg (talk • contribs) 16:56, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't disagree with anything you've written, I just don't think it belongs here. All of the issues you discuss relate to the current relationship between Israel and Egypt, not the peace treaty per se. What makes this "original research" or POV (I'm not a wiki-lawyer and can't quite articulate which of these apply) is tying it back to the treaty. The article on the Surrender of Japan after WWII doesn't have a section on current relations.

All I'm suggesting is that you delete this here, and move it to Egypt-Israel relations which, by the way, has almost no content and could really use work by you or anyone else.

--Sjsilverman (talk) 20:19, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Mikeetg: No one but you and I (and whoever put the POV label on this section of the article) seems to care about this enough to comment. Since I agree with you that the section "Friction" is not POV, I'm going to remove the tag. I continue to believe that this section does not add to the article and really doesn't belong here as it isn't about the treaty per se. As also noted above, I think it would be a good contribution to the article on Egypt-Israel relations and could form the basis for some other additional content there, which that article sorely needs. Anyway, I recognize that this is a matter of opinion, and while I'd urge you to delete and move the section yourself, I certainly won't do so unless others weigh in to agree with me. I may add some additional comment and change heading to better balance the section. All of that said, I hope you'll give some thought to moving the entire section out of the article.--Sjsilverman (talk) 19:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

References

Breach of treaty

The treaty was breached as approval was not granted for the movement of the heavy military weaponry in to Sinai, which Israel is downplaying as it has enough on its hands at the moment. This whole scenario proves my above points though and their relevance to the treaty, as they are the lead up to it being breached. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeetg (talk • contribs) 22:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Taba—Rafah straits as international waterways?

Taba is in Egypt on the Gulf of Aquaba, Rafah is in Gaza. Where is the waterway? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.98.228.77 (talk) 23:57, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Treaty Synopsis

There isn't really anything in this entry that discusses the peace treaty specifics. I encourage anyone with the time to read the treaty and add its key points. XXVII (talk) 12:55, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 August 2017

The romanization of the Arabic text in the lead should be changed from Mu`āhadat as-Salām al-Misrīyah al-'Isrā'īlīyah to Muʿāhada s-Salām al-Miṣriyya l-ʾIsrāʾīliyya. The current one seems like nonstandard; it doesn't distinguish between s and ṣ. Qwerty12302 (talk | contributions) 09:18, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

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Add the template box

to the bottom, please! TimeEngineer (talk) 18:27, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 November 2020

This article should include the following categories:

• Anwar Sadat
• Menachem Begin
• Egpyt–United States relations
• Presidency of Jimmy Carter

The category March 1979 events should be changed to March 1979 events in the United States.

And the templates:

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 Done P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 16:10, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Article title history

• 18:50, 25 April 2003‎ Iorsh created Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty
• 10:33, 1 June 2005‎ 62.243.169.107 created Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty
• 14:14, 31 August 2005 BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB moved page Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty to Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty on wheels!
• 14:19, 31 August 2005 Sjakkalle moved page Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty on wheels! to Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty over redirect (Revert Willy on Wheels)
• 23:26, 24 March 2008 Anthony Appleyard moved page Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty to Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty (version 2) (get away from incoming move)
• 23:31, 24 March 2008 Anthony Appleyard moved page Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty to Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty (req)
• 15:12, 9 July 2008 Tomeasy moved page Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty to Egyptian–Israeli Peace Treaty (introduce en dash in the title to follow wikipedia MOS; hyphen is wrong here)
• 07:55, 24 February 2010 Mohamed Magdy moved page Egyptian–Israeli Peace Treaty to Egypt–Israel Peace Treaty (More appropriate name for the article, as the treaty is between the two countries themselves.)
• 19:19, 14 August 2020 Continentaleurope moved page Egypt–Israel Peace Treaty to Egypt–Israel peace Treaty
• 19:31, 15 August 2020 Continentaleurope moved page Egypt–Israel peace Treaty to Egypt–Israel peace treaty over redirect

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 April 2022

Add a link for Anwar Sadat's visit to Israel, 1977 in the first line of the history section, "The peace treaty between Egypt and Israel was signed 16 months after Egyptian president Anwar Sadat's visit to Israel in 1977," ― TaltosKieronTalk 18:50, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)