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Catholic Church, Oriental Orthodoxy, Church of the East, and more have infoboxes. I'd say all prominent Christian denominations have. So why not Eastern Orthodox Church? Chicbyaccident (talk) 08:14, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

I honest don't know why not. Chad The Goatman (talk) 22:41, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@Chad The Goatman: Would you mind implementing one here then? Ad Orientem, do you mind? Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Extra eyes please on Ukrainian Orthodox Church – Kiev Patriarchate‎Edit

Extra eyes are kindly requested at Ukrainian Orthodox Church – Kiev Patriarchate‎ and its talk page. Thanks. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:11, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Russian Orthodox Church as literally break communion from Ecumenical Patriarchate of Con. over Ukraine issue.Edit

I found news that Russian Orthodox Church as breaking communion from Main church over granting Autocephaly to two Ukrainian Orthodox Churches (Ukrainian Orthodox Church – Kiev Patriarchate and Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church) today. And here couple primary sources BBC and The Guardian as proof. Chad The Goatman (talk) 22:40, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@Chad The Goatman: We have article about that: Schism of 2018. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:33, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Good to hear but until EoC responds about this Schismatic crisis and decided their fate will hurt mostly to former (Russian Orthodox Church) than latter of denomination. Chad The Goatman (talk) 10:04, 16 October 2018 (EST)

The number of adherentsEdit

@Omnipaedista: Greetings. You returned an estimate of the number of adherents from 300 million to 200 million. But if 300 million is an obvious revaluation, then 200 million is the lowest of estimates. From the two sources cited, https://www.thoughtco.com gives an estimated 200 million [1], but http://www.adherents.com gives an estimate of around 218 million [2]. Moreover, the current article Moscow–Constantinople schism gives the number of followers of the Moscow Patriarchate of 150 million. The same estimate is given in the article Russian Orthodox Church. It turns out that 3/4 of all Orthodox are followers of Moscow! Certainly, the patriarch Gundyaev is the rightful master of the whole Orthodox world )) However, according to the ref in the mentioned article Schism [3], along with an estimate of the number of followers of the Moscow Patriarchate as 150 million, the total number of Orthodox in the world is estimated at 260 million. An interesting assessment is given in the book "Atlas of Religions": the total number of Orthodox Christians is estimated as "over 220 million", but the number of members of the Russian Orthodox Church is only 88 million [4]. Thus, the reason is in different estimates of what part of Russian population are actually Orthodox. This is well covered in the note “a” of this article: the myth is widespread that the Orthodox are 80–90% of the population (the total population is 148M), while only 5% regularly attend the Liturgy. In real, after the Orthodoxy from the Moscow Patriarchate became the state religion de-facto, the Russian loyalists soon became Orthodox, just as before they were communists. I believe that this question should be briefly highlighted in the Lead in order to remove discrepancies between the numbers in different articles on similar topics.--Nicoljaus (talk) 09:06, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for sorting this out. [5][6][7]--Omnipaedista (talk) 09:18, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

"Eastern" Orthodox Church?Edit

I notece there was a confusing RM in 2016 about it. However, I fail to understand the logic behind "Eastern" Orthodox Church when speaking about Orthodox Church. Is there a Western Orthodox Church? A Central one? To make things even worste, Orthodox Church seems to have been separated here on en.wiki into two major branches: Eastern Orthodox Church and Oriental Orthodoxy. I dont get it why isn´t this article titled just "Orthodox Church". I understand that for most Anglo-saxon world Orthodox believers come from the East, but the directional adjective seems quite unecessary for the encyclopedic title of the name of the church. If we were speaking about Christianity, well OK, Eastern Christianity, but Orthodox is already a branch by itself. FkpCascais (talk) 02:29, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

(i) At least one major encyclopedic source calls it "Eastern": "Eastern Orthodoxy," britannica.com; (ii) at least one county's constitution describes the Orthodox Church as "Eastern": "Constitution of Greece", Part I Sec. II ar. 3: "The prevailing religion in Greece is that of the Eastern Orthodox Church of Christ." --Omnipaedista (talk) 14:53, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Orthodox Catholic? ChurchEdit

Hello, Anglicanus. With this edit: [8] you in fact reverted mine: [9] )) In turn, I had decided to make wikification after this edit of an ip-user: [10]. I suppose that for many people who know little about Orthodoxy, Rome is the only Catholic church. I believe, that wikification of "Catholic" as "Catholic (term) should help to clarify the situation for them. What's your opinion?--Nicoljaus (talk) 13:19, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your question. I believe it's an MOS issue. Please don't expect me to find where it's mentioned at present, but it is my understanding that the MOS somewhere states that there should not be any wikilinks in any bolded names in the opening sentence and that they should, instead, only be linked at the next appropriate place in the article. In this article that would be in the first "Name and characteristics" section. Anglicanus (talk) 13:28, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Thank you very much! You are absolutely right and MOS describes this case as a typical error: "Links should not be placed in the boldface reiteration of the title in the opening sentence of a lead"--Nicoljaus (talk) 14:40, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Removal of content about child sexual abuseEdit

@Vanjagenije: Can you explain why you removed this sourced content [11] about child sexual abuse in the Orthodox Church? This content needs to be covered in the main article for the Church. Your edit summary said only This certainly does not belong here. - I would like an actual explanation before I open an RfC. Has this been previously discussed?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Seraphim System (talkcontribs) 23:49, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

That kind of material is too detailed for such a broad article like this one. It should be covered in a separate article if it's notable. I explained my position at Talk:Greek Orthodox Church. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:08, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
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