Talk:Duchy of Amalfi

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Map

I re-added the map. Srnec, do you mean that you can't see the map - it doesn't show when you access the page?? It's shows just fine for me, so let me know what you're seeing. MapMaster 05:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC) P.S. If you don't feel it belongs in this article, please remove it.

Yes, I cannot see it. There is a caption and that's it. No map on my computer. Srnec 06:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Disinfobox

Disinfoboxes

A box aggressively attracts the marginally  literate eye with apparent promises to contain a  reductive summary of information that can't be  neatly contained. Like a bulleted list, or a time-  line that substitutes for genuine history, it offers  a competitive counter-article, stripped of nuance.  As a substitute for accuracy and complexity a box  trumps all discourse.                —courtesy of User:Wetman

The infobox adds nothing new; it is pure duplication. It merely collects all the information that can fit in it that is already there in the short article. What purpose does this serve? It does not make anything easier to understand, since it removes the information from its context and the information is not hard to find in a short article anyway. Further, it is long and takes up a lot of space, squeesing all the text to one side.

It also offers the term "Ducatus Amalfi", but whose Latin is that? It should be Amalfitanus or Amalfitanorum. And modern Italian was not the language of the duchy of Amalfi in the 9th–12th centuries. And it was not always a "Vassal of Byzantine Empire". Srnec (talk) 02:33, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

And it's back. . . With a flag, and precise dates for beginning and end. Srnec (talk) 05:17, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

I've been looking at this page for a while and thought it would help to add an infobox, didn't see that there was a discussion about this earlier.. I myself skim quickly thru a page and infoboxes help to see some important points which I could otherwise miss reading quickly.. I see how it clutters the space, but I feel it has more uses than not, especially as an article grows in depth (lot's of room to improve this article, could be a nice project) You can remove if you wish, it's just my preference.. --dsergienko (talk) 06:41, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Flag/Stemma

I see that user Snec has edited this page several times to undo attempts to add a flag or coat of arms, on the grounds that it did not actually have any.

However, the sources I've looked over seem to agree that that the Maltese Cross and the "banda di rosso in campo d’argento" are at least authentic medieval symbols associated with Amalfi. The city's own government website has a writeup from Professor Giuseppe Gargano of the Centro di Cultura e Storia Amalfitana which says as much; Francesco di Pietri's Dell'historia Napoletana (1634) likewise alludes to that local variant of the Maltese Cross as hailing "della famiglia del Giudice Amalfitana d'antichi Baroni" (p. 106), and most convincingly, this webpage, cited on the Italian wiki page for the Croce di Malta itself, contains a photograph of an Amalfitan tarì bearing the Maltese Cross at the center, stating this design is attested since the eleventh century (though that particular specimen appears to in fact come from the Norman period in the first half of twelfth century, cf. another example here).

Given how murky and dubious the concept of 'flags'/'coats of arms' from this period is in general, and the standards applied elsewhere on Wikipedia, it seems needlessly strict to block the addition of such symbology from the page.

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On an unrelated note, someone just edited the page a few days ago to switch the 'Common languages' from 'Greek, Neapolitan' (as it has stood since the addition of the infobox in 2011) to 'Latin, Neapolitan'. Any word on the accuracy of either version? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.168.5.157 (talk) 19:10, 24 April 2020 (UTC)