Talk:Dorothy Dandridge

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Dorothy's first on screen kiss with a white man

Was not in the movie Malaga. She kissed Curd Jurgens in Tamango, which came out in 1958. Malaga came out in 1960. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bow30peep1970 (talk • contribs) 19:27, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

It was a ravishment by the actor upon her. It was a complete ravishment.--Laurencebeck (talk) 06:56, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Recent additions/edits that I deleted

The following text was added:

Dandridge would have has no night club career at all with any other voice than her own which contained a unique tremelo – totally distinct from the recognized tremelos of Ella Fitzgerald or Ethel Merman – yet it was not *advanted on the sound track.

the word that was attempted to be found is *advantaged.--Laurencebeck (talk) 07:58, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

This is a personal observation and has no references/sources. Nowhere else in the article is Miss Dandridge's voice-quality even mentioned. Find a published reliable source that talks about Miss Dandridge's singing voice then the information along with the citation/s could be added to the article. Also, "tremelo" is a city in Flanders, "tremolo" is a particular quality of the human voice. Shearonink (talk) 05:43, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

For the benefit of Wikireaders editor Shearonink makes the very correct distinction between Tremelo and tremolo.--Laurencebeck (talk) 23:11, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for reverting my slack editing to the previous status of the article.

I would like to explore the effect of the operatic singer's interpretations on the performance of Dorothy Dandridge. I saw the film when first released, 1954, aged 14. I had been going to movies ( the Saturday matinee ) for 8 years so I had a set of value responses that I could apply.

I didn't think the combination of the actress and the singing was "sexy". [I can remember Lana Turner in "The Three Muskateers" 1949 and my value responses told to me yea . .sexy.]

For this experienced performer, Dorothy Dandridge ( all her life) to try and wrench a seductive "My heart belongs to Daddy" out of that sound-track was an impossibility. Much is said about the difficulty between Preminger and Dorothy Dandridge during the shoot of the later movie "Porgie and Bess" but nothing of any problems during "Carmen Jones".

If Dandridge had said, "I can't mime this stuff . . it's not me!" That report from the set of "Carmen Jones" is not reported.

I was not impressed with the movie. My fourteen year old impression has only become more acute.

It is over 60 years since the film's release and what is called revisionism would work at this stage, I would think.

Miss Dandridge in her early movie and contemporary television appearances and night club performances had by the very tone of her voice, the Maker's gift of the fairest set of pins you'd've ever seen, and her readily almost legendarily accepted "angel boobs" worked up an enthusiastic what is now called "fan base". They walked out of this movie with more ashen faces than humming the tunes.

Again, it is over 60 years since the film's release, and can afford some merciless deconstructon.

And again, thank you for eliminating my I must say very uncustomary inattentive Wikipedia editing.--Laurencebeck (talk) 07:23, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Civil Rights Involvement

The relevant history excerpt:

(...) 19:50, August 12, 2016‎ Ohnoitsjamie (39,522 bytes) (-532)‎ . . (rv awkward insertion of trivia; please take to talk page)
(prev) 18:31, August 12, 2016‎ Ke4roh  (40,054 bytes) (+532)‎ . . (a sentence on the toe in the pool (edited with ProveIt))

I don't mind copyediting and other efforts to make that information more fluid, or even a more thorough effort to document Dandridge's involvement in integrating swimming pools (the extent of which I do not know), but I do know that her toe in that pool, which was also drained when Sammy Davis Junior jumped in [1], was a gutsy move at the time (even before Brown v. Board of Education). I thought it more important to include the information in light of it being referenced in social media as a predecessor to Simone Manuel's gold medal for swimming in the Olympics. The swimming achievement is no doubt an important chapter of the story that, if it didn't start with Dorothy Dandridge's toe in the pool, Dandridge's stunt certainly made it quite a bit more likely to happen[2]. -- ke4roh (talk) 01:03, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Dandridge is one of many Hollywood entertainers (along with Davis Jr.) that was subject to overt racism during the 50s and 60s in the US. Discrimination practiced in swimming pools in the US belongs in an article like Racism in the United States; I've opened up a discussion in that article regarding the topic. Here, it just comes across as a trivial footnote (per WP:UNDUE). OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 20:34, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

With Simone Manuel's Olympic Medals, Ms Dandridge's experience is of great interest to the public and there is no good reason to eliminate it from this article. Not including her "toe in the water" experience makes the whole article questionable, and should be returned to the article.There are plenty of web references to it. Conscientia (talk) 01:31, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

I must assert that Dandridge's effort was especially significant, warranting mention in a few sources referenced by the one I mentioned and many others.[3][4] She was not as engaged with the Civil Rights Movement as Martin Luther King, Jr., but she did something akin to Rosa Parks, a bit of civil disobedience that furthered a revolution in rights for African-Americans. Public swimming pools were integrated in the late 1940s and 1950s[5]; private pools lagged behind. It was absolutely an important that she dipped her toe in a private hotel pool - even at the place she had just performed for two weeks. Dandridge risked her career for it if people decided not to pay her since she was "acting up," and this is not at all far-fetched - Emmett Till was killed for less. -- ke4roh (talk) 02:02, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Suddenly it's of great significance to this article because someone made a Twitter meme about it? It's a typical example of the kind of racism black entertainers had to deal with during that era, but I've yet to see a reliable source that characterizes it as particularly significant. Your statements about career risks and Emmett Till fall squarely under WP:NOR. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 04:53, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Significance does not come from a meme. Its significance is attested by various reliable sources from before and after the recent swimming medal. I did not mention Emmett Till or the career risks in the article edit because I didn't have time to dig up references for the synthesis, but that sort of information can be found and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to put that activity into context. I used them on the talk page to support my conclusion that the action was of significant import to Dandridge herself and to the circumstance, nevermind that Dandridge has been mentioned in those various sources as of some importance to integrating swimming pools. -- ke4roh (talk) 19:42, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

The discrimination the black entertainers in general faced, as well as African-Americans in general at public pools, can be covered better elsewhere, especially given that this particular incident as described here probably never happened in the first place. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 20:16, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

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1975 film Tommy directed by Ken Russell finds Tina Turner featuring which is a safe bet to say was due to Dorothy Dandridge being in mind.

Ken Russell was a director of many documentaries on classical composers for television and film. His consciousness of what goes on in the industry where classical composers were concerned would be very great. He was given the task of directing a film on a rock opera and there would have been a consciousness that he was joining an only small number of filmmakers who had attempted the same. One in black casting on his mind would have been Carmen Jones 1953, originally from the classical opera. In Tommy (1975 film), the film to be produced, Russell cast Tina Turner in the specialist role of the Acid Queen, a nice ball-buster if ever there was one. But Carmen Jones didn't do too badly and director Russell surely, as everyone did, remember her " . .if I love you dat's the end of you!"
The legacy of Dorothy Dandridge begins in the mind of Director Russell in pre-production, in 1974, a mere nine years after her passing, when he tries a contemporaneity of black colored female in a specialist demanding role.
This talk entry follows upon an addition to the main text of the article which was removed.--Laurencebeck (talk) 10:17, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

What did Dorothy wanted to do when she was younger?

. 2601:2C0:C27F:A60:0:0:0:CE98 (talk) 14:28, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Conflicting Information On Her Death

The article says:

"A Los Angeles pathology institute determined that the cause of death was an accidental overdose of the antidepressant imipramine.[2] The Los Angeles County Coroner's Office concluded that she died of a fat embolism resulting from a right foot fracture sustained five days previously.[1]"

How can one die of an accidental overdose AND a fat embolism at the same time? 2600:1700:4260:35D0:BDF6:73D6:5EF9:E140 (talk) 16:00, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I came here to say that. 2601:8C0:801:460:AC81:90F9:FC94:E892 (talk) 00:30, 8 January 2023 (UTC)