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Is this the correct place for a table of these cases? edit
I've been trying to find how many cases Trump is in currently/concurrently and it's a little hard to sort through the article. Would the bottom of this page be the spot to put a listing of them, the type of case and when they started/concluded? -- FancyPaperPants (talk) 02:48, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
- I’d appreciate this too as I was looking for just such a summary. I think a list at the bottom is a good idea but it makes two places to change whenever anything happens cde (talk) 20:27, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- @FancyPaperPants, ditto, I came here to say this. A brief inventory would be useful not only in this article but also so we can transclude it to other articles.
- I wouldn't put it at the bottom. I'd put it in the lede!
- And I'd put transclusion code around the paragraph so we can plug it into other articles. Any time we update the paragraph here, it'll be self-updating on the other articles. Tuckerlieberman (talk) 12:36, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- @FancyPaperPants, sorry, to clarify: A brief summary could go in the lede and could be transcluded to other articles. A big table obviously needs its own section. Tuckerlieberman (talk) 12:37, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- Agree. 2601:586:4302:3F0:D1C4:C116:53C0:146B (talk) 16:15, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
Significant updates to lede edit
See how the lede's six paragraphs (543 words total) each begin:
"According to a 2016 USA Today analysis, Donald Trump and his businesses were involved in 3,500 legal cases...In 2016, Trump was elected as U.S. President...These cases have ranged from legal battles with casino patrons to...Of Trump's involvement in the lawsuits, his lawyer Alan Garten said in 2015 that...The Trump lawsuits have attracted criticism from Trump's opponents, who say that this is not a trait that conservatives should support...Although Trump has said that he "never" settles legal claims, he and his businesses have settled..."
From a visual scan, it's clear that this was written with a focus on 2016, seven years ago. It's so outdated, we should dump it into a section called "Background," maybe even a subsection called "Pre-presidency."
And then, in the lede, these two important sentences are tacked on almost as an afterthought:
"On December 6, 2022, Trump's company The Trump Organization was convicted on 17 criminal charges.
On March 30, 2023, Trump was indicted on 34 felony counts by a grand jury in Manhattan. He was arraigned on the charges on April 4, 2023 and pleaded not guilty to all counts."
In addition to those two things, the lede also needs a focus on five more things, please:
- Trump is being investigated in Georgia for his efforts to overturn that state's 2020 presidential election results. The investigation is led by the Fulton County district attorney Fani Willis. Trump may be charged during the first half of 2023.[1]
- Trump is being investigated federally for his efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election results (this investigation is separate from the U.S. House investigation, which has ended).
- Trump is being investigated federally for his handling of classified and national defense-related government documents.[2]
- On April 25, 2023,[3] an anonymous jury[4] will hear Trump's trial in New York on E. Jean Carroll's claims of defamation and assault.
- New York attorney general Letitia James has a civil lawsuit against the Trump Organization. Trial is scheduled for October 2, 2023.[5][6]
It would be great if this article could have a brief summary paragraph listing these currently relevant investigations so we could transclude it into any/all related articles. Tuckerlieberman (talk) 13:03, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- OK, I went ahead and added the 5 investigations to the 2 that were already there. Now the lede mentions 7 investigations total.
- I still think the >500 words of old stuff from 2015–2016 should mostly be dumped into a "Background" section. No need to start with all that. I'm guessing most readers want 2023 info. I will wait for consensus on that big cut/paste. Tuckerlieberman (talk) 20:27, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
References edit
References
- ^ Murray, Sara; Morris, Jason (March 30, 2023). "Trump indictment in New York not expected to impact timing of Georgia probe". CNN. Archived from the original on March 31, 2023. Retrieved March 30, 2023.
- ^ Jacobs, Shayna; Berman, Mark; Alemany, Jacqueline; Dawsey, Josh (March 30, 2023). "Trump indicted by N.Y. grand jury, first ex-president charged with crime". The Washington Post. Archived from the original on March 30, 2023. Retrieved March 30, 2023.
- ^ Stempel, Jonathan (2023-03-28). "Trump fails to narrow rape accuser's case as trial looms". Reuters. Archived from the original on April 5, 2023. Retrieved 2023-03-29.
- ^ Berman, Dan (2023-03-23). "Carroll v. Trump jurors will be anonymous, judge says, citing Trump's reaction to hush money investigation". CNN. Archived from the original on April 2, 2023. Retrieved 2023-03-24.
- ^ Kates, Graham (2022-11-22). "Heated arguments mark Trump Organization hearings in two New York courts". CBS News. Archived from the original on April 4, 2023. Retrieved 2022-11-26.
- ^ Freifeld, Karen; Stempel, Jonathan (November 22, 2022). "Trump rebuffed by judge in New York fraud lawsuit, trial date set". Reuters. Archived from the original on December 2, 2022. Retrieved December 2, 2022.
Washington Post and Guardian articles: Keeping Track of the Trump Investigations/Case Tracker edit
The following articles will probably be useful, over time, for Trump-investigation watchers:
- https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/us/trump-investigations-charges-indictments.html
- https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2023/aug/01/trump-indictment-jan-6-jack-smith-biden-us-politics-live-updates
They seem to be the kind of articles that will be continually updated. —12:05, 2 August 2023 (UTC) —RCraig09 (talk) 12:18, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
Abuse of lead edit
The lead is being misused as a place to post the latest lawsuits. It needs to be summarized greatly by moving much of the content to the body and leaving general summaries. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:34, 10 March 2024 (UTC)