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The sentence, "In contrast to artistic dance, which is usually concerned with the aesthetic appearance of movement, dance therapy explores the nature all movement." does not sound correct to me. I think it should be, "dance therapy explores the nature of all movement."--71.194.247.36 (talk) 20:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

before claiming that something is incorrect I suggest you to do some research first. Google is your friend. Mikkalai 16:50, 30 May 2004 (UTC)
"dance/movement therapy": titles with slashes are generally not allowed in wikipedia. You may want dance and movement therapy or a separate movement therapy instead. Mikkalai 16:52, 30 May 2004 (UTC)
my wiki convention may be wrong but my information is correct, not from Google but 8 years of dance study with a MA and current phd research to back it up. go to the library and find yourself some good dance books
choreotherapy does not exist, all the web entries you see are from wiki, choreotherapy would be choreographic therapy, go top the library and you will find it is dance therapy
Ohka- 17:28, 30 May 2004 (UTC)
The word was in google BEFORE any articles in wikipedia. Unfortunately wikipedia and its mirrors litter the web heavily with their content, so it is difficult indeed to find other references, especially on rare subjects. Mikkalai 18:01, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

LinkspamEdit

I deleted most of the external links on this page because Wikipedia is neither a repository of links nor a directory. Links designed to call attention to a provider of dance therapy are not appropriate even if the page also contains information about dance therapy.--FreeKresge 04:21, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Integrated/mixed ability danceEdit

See my quesiton here

Matt (talk) 00:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)



Hello, I'm doing a project for my psychology program consisting of contributing to a relative wiki page. I would like to be able to provide a few sentences to the Dance Therapy page. My contributions would be posted after thorough research on the subject, all edits will be factual. Would it be possible to add a sentence on developmental movement therapy identifying with dance therapy? I'm also new to editing wikipedia and would appreciate any suggestions or guidance. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rachellondon (talkcontribs) 01:58, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Ya you can add a new section, just remember to provide a few references, just paste the citations into these brackets [1] at the end and it will make a reference. Meatsgains (talk) 02:08, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Why is the second wave referred to as the first wave?Edit

How can the introduction of the idea of DMT to the US by Marian Chace represent "inspiring the first wave of DMT" when the development and use of dance therapy in the UK in the 19th century must, surely, be the first wave (according to this same Wikipedia entry)? Clearly, the first wave was "dance being used as a form of therapy... as far back as the 19th century in the UK". Marian Chace's introduction of DMT to the US can surely only be considered to have "inspired" the SECOND wave!

This article states "The development of DMT can be split into two waves throughout history", then makes a mockery of that claim by then stating that the development and use of dance therapy first occurred in the UK in the 19th century, implying that this wasn't one of the stages or "waves" of its development. Mmm. 86.157.141.30 (talk) 13:31, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Editing Dance Therapy PageEdit

I'm editing this article as part of my History & Systems of Psychology course at Shenandoah University, in conjunction with the APS Wikipedia Initiative. Any suggestions or comments are welcome. Thanks! 3faith.hope.love (talk) 20:05, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Bibliography- all resources below have been deemed secondary sources by my Professor for this project.

  • [21] Payne, Helen. "Dance Movement Therapy: Theory and Practice". Taylor & Francis. Retrieved 11 February 2013


Despite literature on Dance Therapy dating back to the 1940s, there remains no scientific evidence for the therapeutic efficacy of DMT.[2][3] This section needs to be deleted or updated because there is scientific evidence for efficiency. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3faith.hope.love (talkcontribs) 14:08, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Delete or update this informationEdit

Despite literature on Dance Therapy dating back to the 1940s, there remains no scientific evidence for the therapeutic efficacy of DMT.[2][3]

This section needs to be deleted or updated because there is scientific evidence for efficiency and there is now a whole section on effectiveness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3faith.hope.love (talkcontribs) 14:14, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Clemson Student EditorEdit

Hi all! My name is Meredith Harper, and I am a senior Psychology major from Clemson University. I will be editing this article as part of an assignment for my senior Psychology lab. I would appreciate any input, corrections, or advice that you all would be willing to give! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harper5 (talkcontribs) 00:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

So, I've added some things to this article. I added an entire section on the use of DT for anxiety, depression, and severe stress. From the research I found, that seems to be what it is most commonly used to treat. I also added a paragraph or two to the Education and Principles section. Lastly, I added the last two sentences to the Effectiveness section. Just wanted to make you all aware of the changes I've made! I appreciate any constructive criticism you may offer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harper5 (talkcontribs) 14:30, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

GA ReviewEdit

This review is transcluded from Talk:Dance therapy/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: J Milburn (talk · contribs) 21:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

I am taking on this review. My comments will follow soon. J Milburn (talk) 21:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I'm afraid to say that this article is not ready for GA status; there are two significant problems with the article at this time that I want to draw your attention to. The first is one of poor sourcing, and the second is one of neutrality. First of all, I will talk about sourcing.

Medical articles in particular require very careful sourcing, the guidelines of which are laid out here. Ideally, the bulk of the article should be sourced to "general or systematic reviews published in reputable medical journals, academic and professional books written by experts in the relevant field and from a respected publisher, and medical guidelines or position statements from nationally or internationally recognised expert bodies." In this article, we see references to:

  • References to what are, as far as I can tell, fringe medical groups. At the very least, even if they are not fringe, they are somewhat partisan; there seem to be legitimate questions about the value of this therapy, and so sourcing material freely to the "American Dance Therapy Association", "The American Alliance for Health, Physical Education, Recreation, and Dance" and "Naturalworldhealing.com" is, at best, questionable. Material from reputable medical organisations is certainly allowed, but these are hardly the NHS, the NIH or the WHO.
  • References to peer-reviewed journals are thin on the ground. I'm willing to accept that Alternative Therapies is probably a legitimate academic journal, but it's hardly the best in its field, and the very name suggests that the kind of therapies it covers are not in the mainstream. It's the kind of source that would have to be used sparingly and critically in a medical article. Nursing Standard, apparently, is a professional magazine, rather than a peer-reviewed journal. That doesn't mean it's unreliable, but it makes it less ideal.
  • The large number of requests for citations in the specialised treatment section should be setting off alarm bells.
  • By the look of things, the Dance Movement Therapy book is exactly the sort of work you should be referencing. However, as it's an edited collection, you should be citing the individual articles, rather than the book as a whole. {{Cite book}} allows for this. There are a few other books in the further reading section which look more like the kind of thing you should be basing the article upon.

On that note, there are some formatting issues with the references; while these can be overlooked for the most part at GAC, there are some problems that are best dealt with. Three quick points;

  • Multiple references to the same work should be combined. If you're citing different pages in the same work, they needn't be combined, but spelling out the entire source each time can be a pain. Consider using a separate "Bibliography" section.
  • Academic Search Complete should not be cited. Offer the full citation to the publication itself.
  • Bare urls should not be used. {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{cite book}} are your friends.

And now onto my second issue; neutrality. Wikipedia articles need to be written from the neutral point of view. This is very different from the sympathetic point of view, and entails not offering undue weight to fringe views. Now, I'm not going to commit to calling dance therapy a fringe point of view; I am not qualified to do something like that. However, this article does seem very sympathetic to the movement, and in places does not read anything like a neutral encyclopedia article. Some choice quotes:

  • "The purpose of DMT is to find a healthy balance and sense of wholeness." Snake oil much?
  • "Dance has been used therapeutically for thousands of years. Traditionally, dance was linked to healing and was used to influence fertility, birth, sickness, or death. Dance has been used as a healing ritual since earliest human history, but the establishment of dance therapy as a profession occurred in the 1950s." Useless, vague statements that could have been taken straight from a website about the medical benefits of eating rocks.
  • "It wasn’t until the 1970s and 1980s that the second wave of DMT came around and sparked much interest from American therapists." This does not read like a professional encyclopedia article.
  • "The creative process"?!
  • "In conclusion, dance therapy has been seen to also, increase quality of life (QOL), support the process of dealing with a chronic disease, and improve well-being and self-esteem." This isn't an essay
  • "Currently in DMT research they are focusing on mental disorders" Who's "they"?
  • Buried deep in the article is a "criticism" section which basically admits that the whole thing is of seriously questionable benefit. This is exactly what I mean by mainstream views being ignored and undue weight being offered to fringe views.
  • The "education" section is extremely one-sided; it seems to exist only to show how many qualifications dance therapists have.

To make clear, I personally have no opinion on the merits of dance therapy; I do not have a medical background, and would not be qualified to comment. I am, however, trying to play devil's advocate to point out problems with this article.

I hope I have made clear why I do not feel that this article is close to good status. If you have any questions, please post them here. If you are looking for help with the article, people over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine may be able to help. They also have a psychiatry task force. J Milburn (talk) 22:11, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


Question about sources- you listed WHO, NIH, ect. but Wikipedia say to use secondary sources, would these kinds of sources, like NIH, be primary sources and AMerican Dance therapy Assoc. be secondary? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3faith.hope.love (talkcontribs) 05:57, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

There are at least two different guidelines to consider here, and I think there may be some confusion between the two. One is the favouring of secondary sources, meaning sources unaffiliated with the article subject. For instance, it would not be OK to cite the American Dance Therapy Association to source the claim that the American Dance Therapy Association has made significant advances in dance therapy research; for that, you would need a source that is not associated with the ADTA. The other is that review articles ("secondary") should be favoured over the findings of individual studies ("primary"). While I do mention the likes of the WHO and NIH, ideally, we should be looking for references in reputable journals and books, and the article wouldn't be primarily based on publications from these organisations anyway. Does this answer your question? J Milburn (talk) 12:46, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello Meredith I would also be willing to put some work into this. I am a Somatic Movement Therapist and work alongside various people who are DMPs (I’m in the UK), so I am quite up to date with current practice, at least in the UK. SebastianBechinger (talk) 00:52, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Movement Therapy is not the same as Dance Movement TherapyEdit

Movement therapy shouldn't redirect here. "Dance/Movement Therapy" as it is being called here is a branch of movement therapy, and not the otherway around. To refer movement therapy here is to imply all movement therapy comes from dance, ignoring the wide range of methodologies evolved from yoga therapy, tai chi, feldenkrais, somatic and physical therapy techniques et cetera. It's like having the word 'bird' take you the page about bluejays. This page is giving an overly narrow definition to movement therapy which should either be a different page, or "DMT" should be a subheader for the parent topic of movement therapy.Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 16:11, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

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HistoryEdit

About the removal by an anonymous of my adition to History, I find the source correct, one might add Penny Lewis Bernstein's:A mythologic quest, American Journal of Dance Therapy September 1980, Volume 3, Issue 2, pp 44–55.--Neworsy (talk) 20:07, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

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History More Inclusive?!Edit

The history section of this page could do with some serious work. Citing Marion Chase and Mary Stark-Whitehouse is a good start but development of DMP/DMT as a field has had a complex and pluralistic history and I think it would be good to have at least reference to some of the major influences including Somatics, psychoanalytically based Art Therapy etc. Also perhaps to mention that the field did not start with some consensus about what DMT is and what it includes - to this day there is debate about whether, for example, developmental movement therapy belongs to an aspect of DMT or not.

Additionally, since almost every DMT that I know works pretty heavily with Laban Movement Analysis in some way, I think the influence of Irmgard Bartinieff (one of Laban’s students) and Judith Kestenberg (one of Bartinieff’s students) needs some more reference. SebastianBechinger (talk) 00:45, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

  1. ^ at the begining, and
  2. ^ a b Bradt J, Goodill SW, Dileo C, (2011). Dance/movement therapy for improving psychological and physical outcomes in cancer patients (Review). The Cochrane Library, Issue 10
  3. ^ a b Xia J, Grant TJ, (2011). Dance therapy for schizophrenia (Review). The Cochrane Library, Issue 2
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