Talk:Dance music

Dancermia11 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:43, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

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This page now reflects the modern club genre rather than the traditional accompanyment.. and so needs writing!. my personal opinion is that it ought to share similar content to electronic music (but briefer with link to main article) but with a bit about other 'club music' forms such as the sections of rnb or even hip hop which are played in clubs; to reflect the common categorisation of these styles of music into dance music. anyway i'm no expert so someone needs to step up..~bungalowbill

As far as I know, the term dance music is used (in popular music) usually to refer to post-disco, especially late 1980s, early 1990s commercial dance music related to styles such as house and hip hop, examples: I'm gonna make you sweat by C & C Music Factory, The Power and Oops Up by Snap, Pump Up the Jam by Technotronic.

Wathiik 15:35, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Because the content of this article is regarding the origins of the objective dance music (the act of dancing to music) we can track this back to ancient ceremonial dances etc, making this genre much larger than simply post-disco. I edited the "by decade" section and added a more recent "2020s" section to make the article more current. Dancermia11 (talk) 23:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

African origins ignored in the article

East African and West African dance influenced the world. Later, black slave music and dance created American Gospel, RnB, Blues, Soul. Soul, House, RnB, and garage and hip hop were the original that Disco, EDM and Pop was created from. Could someone confirm then edit the article? --2604:2000:DDC7:1700:F432:8FC5:7FC1:C63B (talk) 12:09, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

I have included a section on the cultural influences of Western African dance. Dancermia11 (talk) 23:26, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Dance

Well in my school, Dance music is a broad term for electronic music (trance, house etc.)

Oh goodness

This page needs some major editing - a discussion on the word "dance music" and its shifting meanings, the origin of the current wave of dance music in the post-disco era, and a brief run-down of different styles. I'll see what I can do over the weekend. Birdseed 15:16, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

'Okay, having had another look at it, this article needs to be merged with Electronic Dance Music, which while needing some improvement is not nearly this abysmal. Birdseed 09:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I think what would be best is to move the page at Dancing music here, since one of the sections already directly concerns electronica. Dancing music isn't a great article either, but it is broad and correctly encompasses EDM. Dekimasu 01:03, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

No, i'm with birdseed, 'dancing music' is about traditional dance music; waltz, tango and all that. it bears no resemblance to EDM, which is what 'dance music' most often refers to. and that information should be here as 100's of singles/albums/artists list 'dance' as their genre; linking to here. the dancing music article only features a passing acknowledgment of EMD (mainly as it used to be located here), and is not appropriate for those links. (nor is it more notable than EDM). 'Electronic dance music' should be moved here is the best thing i can think of..Bungalowbill 08:42, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

The article should be moved to electronic dance music. it is true that dance music can mean "classic dance music" like tango, waltz,etc. but dance is also a way to generally describe electronic music. the problem is, dance is not only electronic music, but it is also a genre from itself (i learned that in dj school). So there should be three articles:

-"classic" dance music

-electronic dance music (all kinds of electronic music)

-dance music (genre from electronic music)

i just wanted to point that out, because i am 100% sure dance music can be used in both forms (genre, music). --201.210.121.22 20:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Even though I'm not much of a musician, I always had known that 'dance music' could be used in this three forms, depending on the context. I think the electronic dance music article is already good because it describes in a broad way all electronic dance music (lol), even saying that itself isn't a genre, more a meta-genre. And I've always heard 'Dance' as well as a genre in EDM, even though I can't technically explain it. Of course classical forms of dance music such as tango, waltz, etc. can't be left out and deserve an article of its own, even though I consider putting them only as 'Gaming Music' would be a too restrictive textual interpretation of the term.

Maybe there could be done a disambiguation article linking to those three potential articles. I believe merging one or more of them would create a lot of confusion and controversy and even reduce overall quality since at least I deem the EDM article as a good one.

D4RK-L3G10N (talk) 20:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Just my two cents worth ==I am Sad!!!!

The way I have always seen it is that dance music can be all sorts of things. In many American (and indeed British) music award ceremonies all sorts of acts come under the 'dance' category. I've seen both Christina Aguilera and Lou Bega win dance awards when they clearly aren't the same as acts like ATB, Snap, Paul Van Dyk etc. Bega is in fact more like the 'traditional' Latin dance stars of yesteryear using traditional instruments such as brass. I think we need a more structured debate about this, similar to mediation as it is complex. Cls14 14:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree, more debate would be welcome, as well as more awareness regarding musical terminology, I think you are "near the point".--Doktor Who 17:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

DEFINITIVELY! Maybe we should even leave this technical discussion to Wiki-Users that have considerable knowledge and formation in the subject. Well, at least I consider myself only as an amateur haha XD D4RK-L3G10N (talk) 20:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

"radio stations (historically)"

This is clearly written from the perspective of someone in the UK, or the majority of the US, and not the rest of the world. Dance is still heavily played on radio outside of these areas. --62.77.181.1 21:23, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Re-doing this article

Right now, this isn't about dance music. "Dance music" is a very general term, right now this is only about electronic dance music. Dance music encompasses salsa, minuets, swing, whatever, as long as its purpose was for dancing. I just read some of the above discussion and saw that others agree with me. I think dancing music should be merged here. "Dance music" is a very general term, there's already a separate article at electronic dance music (aka "modern dance music"), so it seems like this should just be a general article. Opinions? There appears to be past support for this proposal and little objection, so if there are no objections, I'll perform the merge next week. Wickethewok 20:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I fully agree. Maybe, there was a far better earlier version. --Doktor Who 23:45, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

• I think what used to be here was actually moved to dancing music and this was replaced. Judging by the edit summary, the editor felt "dance music" as used in other WP articles typically referred to electronic dance music, so they moved the article (see the earliest log entry of the article). Wickethewok 07:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Go for the merge... the article as it stands implies that dancing to music started about 1980. Perhaps you could start with the Australian Aboriginal corroboree. m.e. 11:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

• Alritey, I put a lot of the text that was here into the Electronic dance music section here and put some into the actual electronic dance music article as well as integrating from the dancing music article which is now a redirect. These still need a lot of work to be decent, but at least they are under less confusing article titles.Wickethewok 15:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

You did the EDM article? It's quite good you know :D I agree with the merge. I proposed making 'Dance Music' more of a more-less disambiguation article on 'Dance music' where differentiation and a broad explanation is done, but I just noticed that the article is already that way XD Still it should be quite improved to be something more of 'Wiki'-quality haha XD I'll see if I do some thorough work on it. D4RK-L3G10N (talk) 21:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Why no hip hop? It was after all the hip hop and rap musicians who helped revive synchopated beats amongst clubbers in the late Eighties, using looped James Brown beats, that helped dance beats and the MC/DJ culture take off, especially in the UK, where urban pirate radio used to play hip hop/house/techno and ragga to the same audiences (especially in London and the North of England like the legendary Dream FM in Leeds)long before podcasts existed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.247.27 (talk) 01:17, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

• If you would care add your knowledge, go right ahead! : ) Wickethewok (talk) 04:51, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

  The article actually clearly outlines the difference between "dance music" and electronic music, that being electronic music introduced after the downfall of disco around the 1970's. Prior to then, all genres of dance such as samba, tango, salsa, and ancient burial dances are considered the broader 'dance music." Dancermia11 (talk) 23:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Dance music and general dancing music.

Dance music is a genre and it shouldn't have been merged into dancing music. Classical music is very "popular" around the world. Shall we merge that into pop music as well? --Abuk SABUK (talk) 16:51, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

I disagree with you. Dance music is music composed specifically to facilitate or accompany dancing – not genre-specific. See User_talk:Adabow/Archive_23#Dance_Music. 115.164.72.8 (talk) 11:16, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

The whole article isn't very well sourced to be honest. >> Lil-unique1 (talk) — 14:52, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Dance music

This is a very bizarre article it has to be said.

Dance music doesn't really refer to "music you dance to", but an umbrella of closely related genres, and I think the Americanism of EDM has been confused for this? It seems like by merging this article and the body of Electronic dance music (and in the process stripping out the commercial American 'EDM' genre into a separate page - that article already alludes to this a bit) might really be the best way forward? I think the classical interpretations of people dancing to music are a bit ill-informed and don't really belong here either in any real capacity, given there's a whole history of technology, politics, and culture on the evolution of how these genres have come about that it'd probably be better to focus on? Definitely not a clear line that divides these genres, but calling things like Detroit house, jungle, and italo disco all 'EDM' is totally wrong. Orangeisacop (talk) 20:57, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

@Orangeisacop: Just now noticing this comment. This is entirely, completely wrong. I've already linked OED and Harvard sources in the following discussion. Dance music has been a thing since pre-history as music specifically made to dance to. Your entire argument to merge is based on faulty reasoning. And yes, according to Britannica, EDM includes all those genres where it defines EDM as an umbrella term for a panoply of musical styles that emerged in the mid-1980s. Grove defines it as music intended primarily for dancing at nightclubs and raves... is characterized by rapid evolution—hundreds of subgenres and hybrid genres have been created since its inception in the 1980s. There you go. If two of the most respected tertiary sources in the world disagree with you, I don't know much else to tell you. Why? I Ask (talk) 14:08, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

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Merger proposal

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The result of this discussion was to not merge. EDM is way too popular to be merged. GamerKiller2347 (talk) 01:42, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

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Whoops, the prev. move propsal should have been a merge, my apologies. I'm proposing merging this page Electronic dance music with the page dance music, with the intent to later branch off a separate focused article on the commercial/American genre/style/trend of EDM. More detail in the prev., but the main intent is to streamline the content on the subject and to open up more discussion about dance. I've started work on preparing this article already, updating some of the terminology and removing some American-centric views. It's my personal view that 'dance music' is a better umbrella term, and that electronic-ness limits discussion about influences and context and doesn't make a huge amount of sense in some places. Jungle and drum and bass have more in common with reggae/ragga than house, and this article already had a large section on hip-hop? General consensus against the merge is that dance music also refers to classical/traditional dance, and I agree for the sake of giving some brief historical context, but I think terms such as ballroom/folk are more accurate and common terms for that, and that 'dance music' more commonly refers to what we've got here. Dance music's biggest section is already just on electronic and most of the unique content can/has been easily factored in. The hope is that this merge will allow for more talk of stylistic influences, politics, and culture. Cheers. Orangeisacop (talk) 15:35, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Need WP:EDM input as this is a major merge proposal. Do not proceed without their consensus and feedback. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:03, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Informed Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Music genres task force and Wikipedia:WikiProject Music as well. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:03, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose: Literally no reason to combine EDM (a huge genre in its own right) into a parent article that includes jazz and disco. Why? I Ask (talk) 18:05, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

  Very fitting username! This is the main issue, EDM isn't really a gene, and it doesn't really fit as a subcategory either, as it's nearly all of modern dance music (see the current state of this page for instance). Simply referring to dance music that's made electronically? and yeah I agree there is some interesting bits to that, but a lot of that is already covered on electronic music and where the details of the technology/production are particularly relevant (eg acid house) then that's covered on the genre article in great detail. Admittedly there's lots of blurred-lines with music genres, but with disco as you mention, many disco tracks are electronic - featuring synths and electronic drums - and some of that is really important to the generology of dance genres, which is why I think the two pages should be merged. Orangeisacop (talk) 18:49, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

  Remember these two rules: WP:NOOR and WP:VERIFIABILITY. Why? I Ask (talk) 18:53, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - While not exactly my sort of music, my understanding is that EDM was a specific sort of modern sort of dance music, that likely gets plenty of its own coverage. This feels like folding electropop into pop music or electronic rock into electronic music just because there's some overlap. I'm also confused by the notion of folding the 2 in just to split them back out later? Sergecross73 msg me 18:10, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

  The general consensus is that, although EDM started off as an interchangeable initialism for Electronic Dance Music (and I believe in the states is still sometimes used as such?), 'EDM' has become a distinct style/trend in it's own right. Created by corporate American music labels/press as a way of rebranding dance music/culture into more something commercially viable. As an umbrella term it's fallen out of use in the last 10 years or so, and now mainly refers to that very trend in American/Australian dance music. It's this that I'm proposing splitting back off into it's own article at some point, if not as it's own genre (this bit is still up for debate) then at least to cover the sort of controversy over the whole thing. (more detail on that here) Orangeisacop (talk) 18:40, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

  The heck? Don't make such a big change based purely on your opinions. Electronic dance music is its own thing, even if it is a "corporate term" (many genres are) or "American-centric". Also, general consensus? Says whom?

  Here's some basic logic: EDM is a type of dance music. Sometimes it is known colloquially as "dance music", but "dance music" is an entire scholarly term in of itself to refer to music dating back to pre-history ([1]). Why? I Ask (talk) 18:48, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

  This isn't personal opinion, it's well documented. Including on the source page I linked above. You're quite right EDM is a type of dance music, with it's own fans and culture even from techno, and especially from garage. You're also right that historical dance music is very interesting. Segregating dance music into non/electronic only serves to retrict the content and the discussion. Many south asian DJs play Bhangra alongside techno and breakbeats. Jungle is directly influenced by reggae and ragga, and has more in common with afrobeats than techno. Orangeisacop (talk) 19:18, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

  I can't see it as American-centric, as there are quite a few popular EDM artists from Europe and Canada. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 20:28, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

@AngusWOOF: It is correct that there are some prominent European protagonists of EDM (in the sense of electro house) such as David Guetta, Avicii, Zedd or Swedish House Mafia. However, the marketing of theses types of shows under the term EDM in the early 2010s originated in the US, and the careers of these European live acts are closely linked to the corresponding commercial surge of the genre in the US. Some of the European artists also had long-term residencies in Las Vegas. Such as Las Vegas is certainly the center of EDM in the US (EDC, Omnia, Hakkasan, XS, Encore Beach Club), there also exists a European center of EDM: Ibiza, with similar large-scale discotheques and beach clubs such as Amnesia, Space Ibiza, Pacha Ibiza or Ushuaïa. Nevertheless, in many European countries electro house is far less popular than in the US. In Germany, for example, many cities have major techno clubs, but there are only a few permanent venues for electro house (the only relevant one being Bootshaus in Cologne). Rio65trio (talk) 22:28, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

• @Orangeisacop: To be more precise, an acronym created by American music labels/press companies to market their commercial electro house products of the 2010s. Or as Mixmag puts it: “First of all, let's define 'EDM'. The Mixmag definition doesn't cover all 'electronic dance music'. It means the drop-heavy, stadium-filling, fist-pumping, chart-topping, massively commercial main stage sound that conquered America. It means dayglo vests, EDC, Ultra, Vegas pool parties and flying cakes. It's possibly somewhere between electro and progressive house ...”

I support the proposal that a separate article should be created for this specific "EDM genre". Sufficient sources are available. Rio65trio (talk) 20:06, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

• Merge - Makes perfect sense to me. Still a good bit of cleanup needed around this, but a good first step. Birdbagle (talk) 19:23, 13 February 2023 (UTC) — Birdbagle (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Oppose: Article currently makes quite clear that EDM is not a single genre but an umbrella term for a large group of connected genres with much deeper connections than just being made electronically, which exist separately from other dance music styles while still having connections to them (as all music genres do because that's how music works). And merging an article that is this size and this thoroughly sourced doesn't seem to make sense to me. Imagine all the information you'd have to remove despite reliable sources covering it in order to squeeze this into a tiny section of the much smaller dance music page. If you really have the sources to back up the existence of a singular EDM genre then create a separate page for it. This one's fine as is. QuietHere (talk) 20:18, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps you misunderstand the proposal? "deeper connections than just being made electronically" - sounds like you agree. The idea is to move the existing electronic dance music article under this dance music title to better cover the genealogy, and merge what little unique information there is on this article (in particular 'Historical dance music') into that.

I do think there's grounds for a seperate page on 'EDM' (the genre/style/trend) or at the very least the controversy around it. I simply think the definition has changed over time, it doesn't *exclusively* mean the umbrella term anymore, and at the very least that's worth talking about. I think even in this discussion there's been some confusion on the distinction. Orangeisacop (talk) 22:14, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

No, because that's stupid. We wouldn't combine Nu jazz with Acid jazz even though their "genealogy" is the same because they still have different scopes. Your argument (seemingly) boils down to "there's no reason to differentiate electronic dance music from normal dance music". If that were the case, why would we separate Electronic music from Music? There's tonnes of unique information in each article that a merge would not work. Why? I Ask (talk) 22:39, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

That's facecious. There's a lot of unique context, technical and otherwise, to Electronic music to support it's independence from music. There's no unique content to the dance music article other than a brief intoduction to traditional/classic dance music, a sentance for each decade, and a list of links. Electronic dance music has a good summary of each genre including, confusingly, some non-electronic genres (such as hip-hip, and the non-electronic tape manipulation roots of dub).

Perhaps you haven't realised, but there is a combined page on 'Jazz' which does infact contain a short section on the genology leading to nu/acid jazz. You can even continuously read from jazz's earliest origins, right up through the all the influences and evolutions, the effects of immigration and the cultural and technical changes that lead to modern, electronic jazz styles, including acid jazz - wouldn't that be nice! Orangeisacop (talk) 23:01, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, which is the point that this article already does: it provides an overview of all the genres. There's no unique content to the dance music article other than a brief introduction? Even if that were true, that's an issue with the page that can be fixed easily with sources. Nothing that requires a merge. Why? I Ask (talk) 23:46, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I simply disagree. Electronic dance music, however, does do a good job of giving an overview of many genres, but it's limited by the scope of being purely 'electronic' to the point where some it's content simply doesn't belong. Why duplicate the work? Merge the page and expand from there. Orangeisacop (talk) 00:04, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Still, it can be a passing mention in both the dance and EDM articles,.. Imoutofchoices (talk) 13:45, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't think the definition has changed at all and I do think the article covers that quite clearly. You've already been called out for original research above and I don't see you providing sources to back up this claim here. I stand by my opposition. QuietHere (talk) 23:05, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

I'd heavily contest the original research accusation, what I'm saying is heavily documented on Wikipedia and elsewhere, and anywhere arguing differently ironically often cites the page on electronic dance music as its source. Bit of a feedback loop.

From DJMag: "What fans need to accept is that the term EDM does NOT mean d&b, techno, ambient, deep house or anything else for that matter, to anyone who's been into dance music for longer than the last half a decade. It’s not an umbrella term".

The Guardian goes into detail on how EDM may have meant to be an umbrella initialism, but grew to become more frequently associated with a specific genres/style of dance music found on the main-stage of American festivals (electro house or brostep), and the culture around it.

Deadmau5 talks about how 'EDM' became a homogenised sound.

And a really great piece on the etymology of it all [2]. @Rio65trio's above comments also go into great detail on this. Defeinitely more literature to cite on the distinction, but want to focus on the main merge propsal for now. Orangeisacop (talk) 23:53, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Have you considered making a section in the current article about this apparent name controversy? That would be much simpler and I couldn't really see a case against it. I feel like wiping the whole article over it and making a new one based just on this narrow definition, which not all the literature agrees on, would be an issue of undue weight. QuietHere (talk) 00:15, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Like I said, "dance music" has a specific musicological term. It's not (always) the same "dance music" that includes house, drum and bass, etc. It would be undue to rename and merge an article based on purely a colloquial expression. Why? I Ask (talk) 01:27, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

I'd be interested in your sources that do not consider house and drum and bass 'dance music'? This page shouldn't purely be looking at historical types of dance with this title, I think any musicologist would agree with that - they're already part of the blue link wall. ('purely a colloquial expression'? WP:COMMONNAME) Orangeisacop (talk) 08:41, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Because that's not the common name. Here's 10 scholarly, full length books about EDM: [3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12].

Now here's 10 sources about dance music, the actual musicological term: [13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22]

Again, I ask why would we merge the huge subgenre of electronic dance music into the page focusing on the different historical types of dance music (including waltzes, jazz, salsa, etc.) I've just shown that EDM is a common, scholarly term (even by the Oxford Press in this past decade) despite your own opinions that it is American-centric and a poor conceptual term. Yes, there are some sources that refer to EDM, techno, and drum and bass as simply "dance music"... Because they are the predominant subgenres of that genre in the past 50 or so years. Provide your twenty or so sources that support your side. Why? I Ask (talk) 11:46, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

I asked for sources that support your claim that drum and bass and house are not 'dance music'. If there's any unverifiable personal opinion here it's this.

I don't disagree that 'electronic dance music' is also a term, of course it is, but even as many of your very sources state electronic dance music is not 'EDM'. Perhaps this is the nuance you've been missing. [23] Please see the comments above on electonic dance music vs 'EDM'.

Even simply searching for 'dance music' in literature shows the term to be most often in use when referring to modern electronic styles [24], you've simply chosen works that focus on historical styles - and that's fine. What I'm simply saying is that electronic-ness isn't a good enough dividing line between dance genres, it isn't as important, when the article on electronic music already exists. We're simply talking about dance music that's made electronically. By making this article on dance music cover both historial, international, AND modern electonic genres the content will be far more insightful and accurate, proving more information about the genaeology and influences, the culture and politics, than is possible otherwise.

You mention salsa, do you have any idea how similar modern electronic afrohouse/latin dance tracks are to classic african music and salsa? I've mentioned already, but many south asian DJs still play Bhangra in their sets alongisde other electronic genres [25] Orangeisacop (talk) 18:53, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, drum and bass and house are "dance music". I meant that "dance music" (the term used to describe music meant for dancing which is this article) and "dance music" (a shortening of "electronic dance music", per Grove) mean that these articles have two very different, but intertwining scopes. Merging them would be dumb. In fact, why not create Dance music (popular music genre) instead? That's how Grove does it [26]. A page for dance music (the musicological, historical, and overview sense), EDM, and dance music (the post-80s genre a lot of sources combine with EDM). Also, the rule of thumb is that if (multiple upon multiple) encyclopedias have an EDM section, we should too, despite your original research. You've said a lot, but I see very few actual sources. Also, see my reply to your August 2022 comment if you haven't. Why? I Ask (talk) 19:34, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Is the concern that merging dance music and electronic dance music under the one heading would drown out/take weight away from the historical/musicological sense? Perhaps the three way split is a good idea? I'd suggest 'Music and dance' (ala Music and emotion, Music and mathematics, and Music and politics)' as a new heading for this page, if that's the route we'd like to go down. I would still argue the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of 'dance music' is the 'popular music genre', as you put it. [27] Orangeisacop (talk) 22:05, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

No, it's not the primary topic at all, and I've already provided sources detailing why. A pageview analysis means nothing for that sense. Not to mention, that "music and dance" and "dance music" are still very different things. (I've already provided like four different, top-level encyclopedic/dictionary definitions of "dance music" above which all define it as this article.) I also don't think you really get most sources define "dance music" (in the post-80s sense) as a shortening of EDM. (Sometimes Grove duplicates topics; it never actually says they are different). Why? I Ask (talk) 00:21, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes the proposal seems to be based on a misunderstanding of the genre name vs the general category. EDM as referred to in the cited articles is different from electronic dance music (lower case) in that its a descriptor of many sub genres. (trance, durum & bass, hardcode (*core in general), etc. Genericizing the content by merging it with music in general would make both subjects less accurately described on WP. Mystixa (talk) 16:20, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Please no. EDM and Dance are two different subjects, It would be redundant and just overwhelming for this to be merged with Dance. The article is already huge, he don't really need it to be bigger, do we? Imoutofchoices (talk) 03:39, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

• Strong oppose. Two very different topics, articles are long enough as they are. Velociraptor888 11:56, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

• Strong oppose. EDM is a different genre. --94.21.195.35 (talk) 16:14, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose As per above. 2001:8003:908F:BB01:69A8:78BC:2DDC:2208 (talk) 08:49, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Merge This article is about dance music. "EDM" might be worth of its own article. I don't know much about it. But this article, as it stands, is about dance music and should be merged with the other one. Nobody calls music for ballroom dancing etc. "dance music". Dance music means club music. Sadly a lot of the opposes seem to miss the point and perhaps didn't read the description. We know EDM is separate. That's why this needs merging into the other article first, then a separate (probably much shorter) article on EDM. -- Borb (talk) 16:29, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Nobody calls music for ballroom dancing etc. "dance music". Sorry, but that is plain false. I linked several pertinent sources above. (You can even find older music periodicals calling ballroom dance music.) Why? I Ask (talk) 18:24, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

• Strong oppose: EDM is a distinct subgenre with a huge following. If the EDM page is merged, the dance-pop and dance-rock pages should be merged as well. GamerKiller2347 (talk) 22:38, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

• Strong oppose This reminds me of the debate about the difference between Country and Blues. Rock 'n' Roll happens to be a literal merge of the two, have incredible geneological overlap, differs on the preponderence of the guitar, one is more uptempo while both are easy listening/danceable, all can be potentially filed under all the incarnations of folk music and make do with passing mentions to the point of sniping yet retain segregation, or was that going to be a next target? OP has not addressed the Ibiza EDM criticism or the potential to have passing mentions on sister articles type deal, and ostensibly done original research to adapt EDM to his liking by focusing in on a certain letter of "E" and "D" when it suits him. To bring subgenres over to Dance in one conversation, "Detroit house, jungle, and italo disco" = "a little dancey" and then to expel those same subgenres from EDM, "Jungle and drum and bass" = "a little electronic". He got some pushback way back in Feb for how even one of the prongs wasn't enough but went on to disprove himself all the way back to EDM home. Lumbering in thought (talk) 05:51, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. These two genres are very different. Dance music can be entirely acoustic, for instance, while EDM cannot. Many more differences exist. Binksternet (talk) 06:32, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
• Comment: I think it's time to close this discussion. This is the first comment in over three weeks and it seems that there is a clear consensus to not merge. GamerKiller2347 (talk) 18:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

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