Talk:Cubans

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It seems strange that there isn't an article on Cubans. Some of the information found in the articles on Cuba and Cuban-Americans could perhaps be used to start it, following the standard format of nationality-articles. JdeJ 23:20, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Other europeans

"British ... Scottish" - what are the Scottish if not British ? Why say British, but show the English flag ? And what about the Irish ?

How is this sort of thing normally done ? -- Beardo (talk) 09:55, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Cubans are not a Distinct Ethnic Group

Like the title says Cubans are not an ethnic group of their own. Its kind of like saying American people are from one ethnic group. If this was the case why isn't there a page on Indian people (from India) there only is a Demographics of India page. Even though they might be of the same "race" they are still different ethnic groups. This page needs to be taken down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nodashes (talk • contribs) 03:21, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

If you wish, you can nominate this article for deletion at WP:AfD. Please don't blank it again; that's considered vandalism.

I think a nomination to delete wouldn't succeed, however, since articles of this sort are well established at Wikipedia. The subject is considered notable. SamEV (talk) 06:17, 3 April 2010 (UTC); 06:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I also believe this article will not be deleted due to it being notable. There is a lot to say about the Cuban people that deserves it's own article (dissidents, exiles, Cuban-Americans, Notable Cubans, and so on). --Joel M. (talk) 14:45, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Joel. It's probable that user Nodashes is confused by the fact that the lead uses the template called "Infobox Ethnic group" (name visible in the edit window) and the link to "Category:Ethnic groups in the Caribbean" at the bottom of the page.

If so, Nodashes, let me tell you that the word "ethnic" should not be taken literally in those cases. It's just a catchall for ethnic groups, ancestry groups, races, or other, such as national origin groups. SamEV (talk) 03:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Response to SamEV

SamEv just because an article is well established does not make it right. Wikipedia isn't here to spread false information about subjects. Like I said before Cubans aren't a distinct ethnic group but a nationality. There are already way too many ignorant people in the world; please don't add to the confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nodashes (talk • contribs) 18:58, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Responses should be placed in the same section as the text you are responding to. Also, please refrain from making heated or rude comments. --Joel M. (talk) 14:48, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Notable Cubans not even mentioned

I was frankly surprised to see people in the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Cuban who may have some notoriety in their own right, like Leonardo Padura, Daina Chaviano, or Carlos Acosta, and not see in that page people that were of great relevance like the World Chess Champion between 1921-1927 Jose Raul Capablanca, or Dr. Carlos J. Finlay, who was the first to postulate the theory that the Aedes Aegypti mosquito was the vector for the Yellow Fever.  Nothing against Chaviano, Padura, or Acosta, but in my opinion they don't have the stature of those I mentioned, yet their photos appear in this page and Casablanca's and Finlay's don't.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12345rl (talk • contribs) 15:09, 13 September 2010 (UTC) 

Cubans in the United States

The Cuban population in the U.S. was 1,094,811 inhabitants and Cuban Americans ( Cubans and their descendants in U.S. ) were 1,891,014 in 2011. Source: U.S. Census Bureau. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.172.119 (talk) 05:31, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Numbers - 65 or 60%?

65 percent of the population is Catholic,[27] but only 5% of that 60%Xx236 (talk) 08:56, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

@Xx236: I've changed the section to reflect what the source actually says: that the estimate is 60%, and that 10% of those attend mass regularly, while other sources estimate that attendance is as low as 1.5%. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:12, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Communism as a part of Cuban culture

Cuba created local form of Communism without foreign terror (contrary to Poland or Hungary).

Cuban culture has been influenced by Communist rules, e.g. censorship.

Florida Cuban culture influence Cuban culture, but they are not identic.Xx236 (talk) 09:01, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Portuguese and French immigration to Cuba?

"European migrants, beginning with the early Spanish settlers, along with other Europeans arriving later such as the Portuguese and French"

The text claims Cuba receive waves of Portuguese and French settlers, however no sources are cited and I have no knowledge of any significant income of population from the aforementioned countries.

Sindu5673 (talk) 18:54, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

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Admixture

It appears that on April 3, 2017 shortly after the population admixture information was introduced into the article from Marcheco‐Teruel et al. (2014), User:Revise504813 inserted false data which was never fixed...until now. Specifically, the original numbers and wording were slightly changed to distort what was being measured. For example, the original study found that self-identified white Cubans have on average 86% European ancestry. This information was changed to say that 91.4% of self-identified white Cubans are "fully European." As interesting as that information would be, as far as I can tell it's not in the source. Moreover, I don't think I have never seen a study that purported to measure what proportion of a given white and black population are "fully European" or "fully African" respectively. Moreover, while 91.4% of blanco Cubans being "fully European" sounds quite plausible, User:Revise504813's claim that 28.3% of negro Cubans are "fully African" is almost certainly false. In any case, the information that I restored is definitely in the source. DrQuinnEskimoWoman (talk) 01:27, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Article subject

Cuban-born people in the United States are not necessarily Cuban citizens. "Cuban people" is like every other article on groups: it refers to Cuban citizens, Cuban residents, and the Cuban diaspora. The reference used clearly states the number of Cuban-born in the US (not Cuban citizens - if you want to include, find a reference), and those who identify as Cuban (full or partial). The leader even states "Some Cubans do not treat their nationality as an ethnicity but as a citizenship with various ethnicities and national origins comprising the "Cuban people." As Cubans lose their citizenship when they take upon another, why then would you include them as Cubans if it is solely based on citizenship?Patapsco913 (talk) 13:53, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

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There are mistakes in my initial comment. For me Cubans are only Cuban-born people (citizens or no) and others Cuban citizens. Persons born in U.S. are not Cubans, except if they are Cuban citizens. You have mistakes in your updates: 2,315,863 is total of Cuban Americans (total population with Cuban origin) on US Census Bureau: Hispanic or latino population by origin country. It includes 1,311,803 Cuban born + 1,004,060 Americans with Cuban ancestry. The Cubans in Spain in your source (Diario de Cuba) more than 124,000 are all Cuban-born persons, and include more than 60,000 Spanish citizens, no more Cuban citizens but they were born in Cuba and they are Cubans. Cgx8253. 10/21/2018.

The people born in Cuba who now live in the US have mostly lost their Cuban citizenship. So why would you use Cuban born? You need to find a correct citation that show the number of actual Cuban citizens in the USA. Anyhow. All articles that refer to a people refer to the group (Cuban citizens, Cuban-born, and descendants of Cubans who identify as such) as the introduction to this article attests. Canada tracks ethnic Cubans and not citizens but apparently you saw fit to keep that in the article. Your edits are not correct. Being born in Cuba does not mean you still are a Cuban citizen: the Constitution of Cuba automatically calls for the revocation of your citizenship. So all the Cuban born Cubans who reside in America that have taken on American citizenship are no longer Cuban citizens unless they have reapplied, have taken up residency in Cuba, and renounced their US citizenship. So your claim is patently untrue.Patapsco913 (talk) 17:06, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

see Salvadorans, Guatemalans, Hondurans, Venezuelans, Guyanese people, Zulu people, Americans (counts residents including non-citizens in tally), Thai people. Are you saying that Cuban Americans are not Cubans?Patapsco913 (talk) 17:21, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

All Cuban Americans are not Cubans because only 1,311,803 them were born in Cuba. The Americans not born in Cuba are not Cubans. The Cuban decendents in USA are not Cubans, they are Americans. Cgx8253.

People who were born in Cuban and have US citizenship are not Cubans either. You seem to assume that if you were born in Cuba you are always a Cuban citizen which is not true since by taking another Citizenship, your Cuban citizenship is revoked. if this article is solely about citizens then your numbers are wrong. "As of 2015, 68% of Cuban-born residents of the United States have naturalized automatically losing their Cuban citizenship" Patapsco913 (talk) 17:56, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

All people born in Cuba are Cubans although they are not already Cuban citizens. They are Cuban nationals. It is about nationality. Cgx8253.

well. so why did you say it is about citizens? and where is a definition of a Cuban national? Is it mentioned in the constitution? We cannot just make things up.Patapsco913 (talk) 18:26, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

The laws of Cuba do not accept as Cuban to any person did not born in Cuba or not resident in Cuba. Your concept about Cubans is incorrect. Read Americans. Some countries have laws that admit as citizens to foreign decedents of citizens, but not Cuba. Cgx8253.

This article is not limited solely to citizens of Cuba and if it were, you would not include those who were born in Cuba but now live in the USA and have taken on US citizenship (and losing their Cuban citizenship). You seem to want to create some new concept of "Cuban nationals" which only includes people born in Cuba and not their descendants but you cannot show any support that this concept exists. Bottom line is this article provides the information and the readers learn from it. The article clearly indicates 1) Cubans living in Cuba, 2) Cuban-born people living outside Cuba, and 3) their descendants. This is clear so why do you want to cloud it up? Read Salvadorans, Guatemalans, Hondurans, Venezuelans, Guyanese people, Zulu people, Americans (counts residents including non-citizens in tally), Thai people.Patapsco913 (talk) 12:30, 24 October 2018 (UTC)