Talk:Criticism of Islamism

article in progress a bit messy

I've just posted the verse draft and it is a mess I hope people will be patient while I clean it up and get rid of all the quotes --BoogaLouie 22:44, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

and you couldn't do that in a sandbox because? --Fredrick day 22:46, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Well it is awfully big. If it's annoying you I appologize. What I have done to keep this under the radar screen, so to speak, until I finish it, is not create any links to it from any wiki articles, even the Islamism article. I hope that will prevent its hurting the wikipedia until it's done. --BoogaLouie 17:44, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

don't worry about it - it's not a big problem, just that there is no rush for articles and in a sandbox you can craft and change to your hearts content with no interference. --Fredrick day 18:03, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

currently, the article reads like a personal essay and is opinionated throughout. efforts need to be made to bring it into conformity with WP:NPOV. it would probably have been better to start a criticism section on Islamism and then fork it out if there was sufficient content from reliable sources. ITAQALLAH 22:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I am in the process of editing it to ensure everything is relevant and sourced, NOR, etc. Since the article is about criticism of Islamism many people will be quoted whose POV is ... well critical of Islamism, but that doesn't mean the article will do more than describe their arguements. No judgements will be made on their arguements.

Once again I acknowlege the article needs a lot of work and is not yet up to wikipedia standards which is why you will not find any links to it from other wikipedia articles (at least I have not created any and there are none I know of.) When it is done I intend to put a short section in the Islamism article on criticism of Islamism sumarizing this article with a

Main article: Criticism_of_Islamism

link. I know this is the reverse of the usual process, but I think it will work better as this article is quite long and will be longer. --BoogaLouie 15:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

This article is still messy. The comments above are from seven years ago. The article stills reads like a draft. Extensive editing is needed -- not necessarily for content removal, but for structure, readability, condensing of long quotes to summary sentences and better in-text naming of cited authors. To avoid heated emotions, NPOV is crucial. Stringybark (talk) 11:19, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

"Despite their popularity..."

The line: "Despite their popularity many Islamist beliefs, principally the more extreme ones, have come under criticism. was edited out by Itaqallah . The Islamism article has evidence of Islamism's popularity and if Itaqallah insists I'll put a footnote on that phrase. The rest of the edit all go along with for now. --BoogaLouie 17:24, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

"Despite their popularity..." comes across as weasel wordy - such phrases should typically be avoided. it is also not for us to tell editors what beliefs are 'extreme' (and implicitly, which are 'moderate') - as per neutrality policy. ITAQALLAH 19:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:SELFPUB

According to WP:SELFPUB,

Self-published and questionable sources may only be used as sources about themselves, and only if: the material used is relevant to their notability; it is not contentious; it is not unduly self-serving; it does not involve claims about third parties...

For this reason Daniel Pipes' blog is not an appropriate source. It makes contentious statements, it certainly makes claims about third parties (in this case Islamists). Finally we can only use the source about Pipes himself, not about others.Bless sins (talk) 15:31, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

More unreliable sources

The following sources don't appear to be reliable. Unless, someone is willing to show otherwise, I'll remove them:

• islamistwatch.org
• gemsofislamism

These sources don't appear to be criticizing Islamism. If a source doesn't criticize the ideology it shouldn't be here. Wikipedians should not be interpreting these sources to mean something they don't say. Like always, if you beg to differ, please clearly explain your argument.

• Imam Khomeini’s message to Gorbachev (a dead link, though I very much doubt that Khomeini was a critic).
• Milestones by Sayyid Qutb. Accused of being an Islamist himself, he's not a critic of it.
• Lewis, Islam and the West, (1993), p.12. Lewis is not criticizing Islamism in the passage. He is simply describing medieval history.
• Saudi Constitution

Finally who or what is "Keyhan"?Bless sins (talk) 16:34, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

How so?

How is content in Criticism_of_Islamism#Riba criticism of Islamism?Bless sins (talk) 20:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Was not the Islamization program of Pakistan an Islamist program? The source criticizing the Riba laws was also criticizing Islamism in general --BoogaLouie (talk) 16:05, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

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Wrong Years

I was just reading this article when I noticed that in the Christian Crusades part there is told about that the crusaders "Started in 1096... was taken less than a hundred years later in 1291" It seems that's 200 years, not 100. 77.166.246.189 (talk) 00:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you --BoogaLouie (talk) 18:43, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Punishments

Perhaps some description of the punishment system used by religious Muslims could be added. The BBC has a short article about it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21467982 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.241.10.115 (talk) 03:05, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

No, it will be a copyvio if copied. Bladesmulti (talk) 16:48, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

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Requesting help in article expansion

Hi,

Requesting you to have a look at

• Superstitions in Muslim societies and also Talk:Superstitions in Muslim societies

Requesting article expansion help, if above topics interest you.

Thanks and regards Bookku (talk) 06:53, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Refs

• John Locke’s Lesson for the Taliban ~ Mustafa Akyol, WSJ May 12, 2022

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 00:32, 15 May 2022 (UTC)