Talk:Continental union

Australia, Pt II

While I agree with Zebulin above that this article shouldn't exist, I'll say this at least:

The basis for putting Australia on the list is that it occupies an entire continent. However, it is the only sovereign state on the continent, and there are no treaties/"whatever"s binding it to cooperate with other sovereign states on that continent (trivially).

The argument that Australia (the sovereign state) itself is some kind of federation is irrelevant, as the members of the federation are/were not sovereign.

I have been bold and have removed it. "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material." (WP:VERIFY).

That said, I don't think the article should exist---the same page says "If no reliable, third-party sources can be found for an article topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." 130.195.5.7 (talk) 05:20, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Australia should be removed from this list since it is not in itself an entire continent but rather is part of the continent of Oceania. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.37.70.70 (talk) 02:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The EU should be removed from the list too, then, because it's not in itself an entire continent but rather it's a part of the continent of Eurasia. (NB: The reason Australia shouldn't be included on the list is beacuse Australia, rather than the Australian states, have sovereignty. France has foreign missions in/to Australia, but Victoria has no missions in/to France. That I think accords with the intuitive definition of why the EU is different from the Commonwealth of Australia. Still, for an Australian, the EU does have many similarities with a country, and maybe one day it should be dropped from the list; but that day isn't today.) —Felix the Cassowary 20:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe Australia should be added to the list of continental unions and I will support this claim with logic and third party citations. The argument that Australia is a "federal state" is irrelevant. Clearly Australia is an existing "political entity" occupying the majority of a recognized continent of the world. Sovereign political entity's are created both by treaty or constitution. Secondly, the argument that because Australia's government has a centrally directed "foreign policy" that this some how disqualifies if from being a continental union is also irrelevant. The European Union will add "Common Foreign and Security Policy" as a competence of the Union, once the Lisbon Treaty is ratified, which will be exercised by a "High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy". Adding this competency will not disqualify the EU from being a "Continental Union", just because it has taken on an aspect of a traditional federal state. Thirdly, I would agree with Cassowary that Australia does have "sovereignty", but I would say this is a reason to include, not exclude it from the list of continental unions. A continental union is a political entity that covers much of a recognized continent. Whether it includes the word "Union" in the title or not. A union of states or a union of "member states" makes no relevant difference. I would cite www.Towardsunity.com for the definition of continental union which it uses broadly on the website to define continents that have a political entity that exercises a level of sovereignty over its member states. Unless someone here is going to make a logical argument claiming that "Australia is not a political entity occupying the majority of a recognized continent of the world" then I would strongly suggest adding and keeping it on the list of "continental unions" of this article. I will wait for 24 hours for any person to make a convincing counter argument on this discussion page, and after that time I will add Australia to the list. OrangeCorner 18:17, 24 October 2009 (CST)

Please point us to those third party citations OrangeCorner. I have lived in Australia for over 60 years. Never heard it referred to as a continental union. Lonelywurm above referred to "current usage". If there is any current usage that describes Australia as a continental union, it really must be cited. I hold pretty much the same thoughts on the other CUs mentioned, but claim less expertise on those areas. I really suspect that, as Zebulin suggested earlier, the total lack of relevant citations should surely lead to the whole article's deletion. HiLo48 (talk) 06:52, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

HiLo48 Thanks for the note. I think deletion of the article would be unfounded given the number of references to each of these organizations as "Continental Unions". However I think your right that this article badly needs citations. I'll begin setting up the section and if others can add to it that would be helpful. Here are just a few. http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL0372984320070704 Reuters Article referring to the African Union as a "Continental Union". Here is a second article http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-8878375.html link to article referring to the African Union as a "Continental Union". Speech referring the European Union as a "Continental Union" http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:2dUAMOUCBfMJ:ec.europa.eu/ireland/press_office/speeches-press_releases/speechbyruairiquinntd.doc+%22Continental+Union%22+European+Union&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us http://www.pambazuka.org/en/category/aumonitor/41123 Article in which the authors asks about the importance of "Continental Union" for Africa. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,235720,00.html Fox News Report calls the Union of South American Nations the formation of a "Continental Union". Website detailing the history of the United States Continental Army formed by the Continental Congress which resulted in the http://www.sonofthesouth.net/revolutionary-war/battles/continental-army.htm Articles of Confederation and Perpetual "Union". http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/articles/ As for Australia there are established commentators on the formation of the European Union who refer to the Common Wealth of Australia in the same category. Link below. http://twitter.com/EuropeanThought (OrangeCorner (talk) 21:23, 29 October 2009 (UTC))

Australia is not a continental union because it does not occupy the whole of the continent of Australia. If you look at Australia (continent), you will find the continent includes the islands of Tasmania, New Guinea and possibly Seram and Timor. Alan (talk) 07:44, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

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Brexit

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has left the European Union, and the map should reflect this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User.name.here (talk • contribs) 01:35, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done Edited and uploaded a new version of the image. Not sure whether it would be better to include lighter coloring for former members, especially since South America has been almost entirely split. Also, the image caption says "2013", much outdated now. --Vipz (talk) 15:55, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

It seems that I cannot recolor South America's shapes like I can do for EU ones in the image for that matter. --Vipz (talk) 16:17, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Adding other Legend Colors

The Legend only has 3 description even though it has 5 colors on the map. Doremon764 (talk) 21:30, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

The two other colors:

• Asia Cooperation Dialogue (ACD)

• Forum for the Progress and Development of South America (PROSUR) Doremon764 (talk) 21:32, 11 September 2021 (UTC)