Talk:Chrysler LeBaron

Images

I know that LeBarons are fairly uncommon these days, but if anyone can photograph on and put it on here, I think it would do some good for this article. I know how to upload images and I have in the past, but I am inexperianced when it comes to uploading images I took with my camera. Bavaria 01:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I have some photos of my own 1990 V6 LeBaron that I would be happy to post.Handle 2001 03:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

"Pop Culture" section removal

In accordance with the discussion over "pop culture" trivia lists in vehicle articles (see here), I have finished what Apolloboy started and removed the "pop culture" section from this article. It was nonencyclopædic, contained no information directly relevant to the Chrysler LeBaron, and served only to needlessly bloat the article. ---- Scheinwerfermann (talk) 17:39, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

---> Yes, with that argumentation you should go on and edit every other Wiki article with a pop culture section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.213.165.173 (talk) 14:35, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Model designation (infobox photo)

If there's no such thing as a LeBaron "2.5i Premium" in Europe, then why do you think the uploader of the photo called the car a 2.5i Premium? Is it not possible that the car has different trim names in different countries? IFCAR (talk) 11:49, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Scheinwerfermann, in the comment on your edit you state that there is "no such model as 2.5i". 2.5i in the photo comment refers to the engine, though; the 2.5L N/A injection. Thus, the full type name under which the car is officially registered is "LE BARON CONVERTIBLE 2.5I U9".

Your statement that there is "no such model in Europe as 'Premium'" is incorrect. If you look up the VIN code of the car in the picture (1C3BJ55K4KG219345) you can see that it indeed is a Premium trim. The car was originally sold in the Netherlands and as always stayed in the Dutch car register ever since. This implies that LeBarons with the Premium trim have been dealer sold in Europe. Rderijcke (talk) 11:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Uploaders frequently post erroneous photo names. There've been Swingers uploaded as Scamps, there've been Holley 2bbl carburetors uploaded as Rochester 1bbls, there've been 1960 Valiants uploaded as 1962 models, etc. This may be a case of that type. Neither the 1989 Chrysler Export model range folder nor the 1989 Chrysler LeBaron export product specification (a 7cm-thick document, printed double-sided on 8-1/2 x 14" paper, that goes into picayune detail of every component selection, every name badge, every trim stripe, etc. for every market) makes reference to any such model name as "2.5i" or "Premium" for any country in the European market.

Yes, the VIN decodes as a Premium-trim-level car, because the 6th figure of the VIN is a 5. That is a piece of vehicle-build nomenclature, not a part of the model name. Others are Economy (1), Low (2), Medium (3), High (4), Special/Sport (6) and Performance/Image (7) — and none of those are model designations, either. "This is my 1992 Dodge Spirit R/T Special/Sport"? "This is my 1993 Chrysler Daytona Performance/Image"? "This is my 1990 Plymouth Acclaim Low"? No. Show me a factory-installed "Premium" badge on this or any other LeBaron, and then I'll eat my words.

As for the 2.5 referring to the engine: Yes, obviously. We could include "2.5" in the caption if we really feel we need to (why?), but until someone can show a reliable source (i.e., from Chrysler) describing a model subname of "2.5i", I think we need to regard that as an unofficial designation. If a vehicle registrar uses that kind of nomenclature (engine displacement in litres followed by an "i" for N/A fuel injection, a "c" for carbureted, a "d" for diesel, a "t" for turbo, etc.), that's logical and understandable, but it does not make any such designation a part of the car's model name. Here again: Show me a factory-installed "2.5i" badge on this or any other LeBaron, and I'll eat these words, too, perhaps with some delicious catsup. —Scheinwerfermann ^T·_C18:17, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

The different LeBaron models have distinction in their appearance, that's why I think it's relevant to add it to the photo caption. You could have the same argument about the year the car was manufactured. Why would it be relevant that this car is from 1989? Because of the chrome arches above the wheels, the edgy dash, etc.

The Premium trim is (as far as I know) primarily a visual distinct. I'm not an expert on LeBaron trims, but I know some differences. The first of them is the 16" alloy lace wheels. They can only be found (originally) on Premiums and GTC's. Then there are the chrome/body color mixed door handles. Plain trim LeBarons of the same year had black door handles. In the interior, the Premium features some extra wood accents and maybe some more added luxury materials. Last, I believe that the light pewter paint color was only available on Premiums and GTC's but I'm not too sure about that. This is what I know, I'm sure there are more differences. You can compare most trims this way. The GTC for example distinguishes itself with its body colored grill, mirrors, bumpers and body molding.

Even the different engine gives you different visuals. The badging on the front side panels of the car is none for the 2.5 N/A, "Turbo Electronic Fuel Injection" for the 4 cylinder turbo engines and "V6" (in two different forms, depending of the year of manufacture) for the Mitsubishi V6. I think that definitively makes sense, since you can distinguish different basic engine configurations on LeBarons from the outside.

The 2.5i not in an official model name, it's just information about the depicted car. "1989" wasn't in the official model name of Chrysler either. And Chrysler obviously did have different namings for their cars' trims, although it's not always on the back of the car. There's the basic LeBaron, the LeBaron GTS, LeBaron GTC, LeBaron Premium, etc. There's even a LeBaron Coupe Vermont, have you heard about that one? Now please read the minimum image standards, that states that "The caption must clearly identify the vehicle. The year or model year and trim level should be included in the image caption if the information is available." Premium is definitively a trim level and it has been sold in Europe, as the depicted car proves. - Rderijcke (talk) 22:50, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

What he's looking for is a source that verifies the existence of a LeBaron with a trim called "Premium 2.5i." IFCAR (talk) 23:19, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

There is no trim called "Premium 2.5i". There is a trim called "Premium". It's even mentioned in the article itself. I don't care about the 2.5i, it's just the engine size that I added to the image's description. Following the minimum image standards, the trim level should be added. "Premium" was an official trim level back then, even thought it doesn't say so on a badge. There even are special car trims on some cars that leave out all badging as being one of the features of that particular trim. I believe Volkswagen, Audi and Alfa Romeo for example have them. I wasn't the one adding the capture, anyway, but now I'm reading the image guidelines again, indeed the trim level should be added to the caption. I don't care about the 2.5i, it's just the engine type. I think it can be added too though, since "1989" isn't a model name either. The caption should contain information about the depicted car like year of manufacture and trim, not the badging on the car. - Rderijcke (talk) 00:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Case for "Premium" is more or less made, though there is still no evidence that the "Premium" trim level was marketed per se in Europe. Grey area since that trim level was marketed as such in America. Case for "2.5i" is not made. "I like it" is not acceptable justification for adding a designation you made up; this is a Cite it or drop it kind of deal. Nobody claimed 1989 doesn't belong, because it does; so let's not get sidetracked with straw men. And we're not dealing with VW trim practice, nor with Audi or Alfa badgeless trims, so let's please stay on topic, thanks. —Scheinwerfermann ^T·_C08:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I was just making the point that trim levels don't have to be badged per se. Good that everything has been settled. Just what is your point of view on the engine badging then? Like the turbos that have "Turbo Electronic Fuel Injection" on them and the V6's with their "V6" badge.

And another question just out of pure curiosity, does your 1989 Chrysler Export model range folder say anything about the LeBaron Coupe "Vermont"? - Rderijcke (talk) 12:39, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm also a bit curious about something -- how did you come to possess a a 7cm-thick document, printed double-sided on 8-1/2 x 14" paper, that goes into picayune detail of every component selection, every name badge, every trim stripe, etc. for every market for the Chrysler LeBaron? IFCAR (talk) 13:02, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Rderijcke: Nope, no "Vermont". IFCAR: through a Chrysler-historian friend. —Scheinwerfermann ^T·_C17:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Then maybe it's not that complete, at least I had one badged like that from Switzerland. - Rderijcke (talk) 17:45, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, we can buy aftermarket decals and badges in North America, too. —Scheinwerfermann ^T·_C23:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

It was a special edition with heated seats and stuff. I just want to show you that badging is not everything and you cannot possibly know every trim, set of options and engine configuration available in every country in the world. I've called some dealers and the Premium was also called "Deluxe", "Luxe", "Limited" in some countries. And then there were options available on top of that trim as well. - Rderijcke (talk) 01:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

This has grown beyond silly. If you really cannot understand the difference between what Chrysler built and what gimmicks and option packages any dealer anywhere in the world might've put together to sell cars in his local region, then give it some careful additional thought until you attain enlightenment. And yes, I can know every trim, set of options, and engine configuration Chrysler made available in every country in the world, because I have Chrysler's master specs to which the vehicles were made. That trumps whatever you think you understand of whatever you think you remember hearing about what you recall seeing. I believe we're done now. —Scheinwerfermann ^T·_C05:47, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to not merge. MartinZ02 (talk) 18:47, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

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This is a no-brainer. The LeBaron had multiple generations. The Dodge Spirit and Plymouth Acclaim (the latter of which was my first car) were one-off cars. I also think the Chrysler Saratoga article should focus on the original Saratoga while the European-only model be merged here. Jgera5 (talk) 16:42, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose - The LeBaron is already long enough with multiple generations and multiple body styles. What is gained by adding more complexity? IFCAR (talk) 17:36, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose - If every "one off" model that shared a platform/style with another were merged together, it could create unwieldy articles. Also, where would it end? If the Spirit/Acclaim were merged with LeBaron then should the Dodge Diplomat and Dodge 400 be merged here too? Should the Dodge Mirada be merged with the Chrysler Cordoba? The Dodge Dynasty with the Chrysler New Yorker? I think some articles are simply cleaner on their own. EvoSLR (talk) 15:30, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose per IFCAR and EvoSLR. Not a helpful or thoughtful merger proposal, would severely damage at least three articles, and what kind of car Jgera5 used to have is not relevant.—Scheinwerfermann ^T·_C15:11, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose - There are simply no justifiable grounds for merging. Each of the articles are long and highly detailed. Merging them would only make things highly confusing. Distancerunner15 (talk) 17:14, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

1941 Chrysler Newport Phaeton

Dear Reader: In two instances I have added the word 'Phaeton' in the article. I realize now that it looks like part of the name of the car when it probably isn't. This possible deception might be avoided by using lower case 'p'. I will leave it the way it is for now. My purpose was to distinguish the 1941 Newport from the newer ones because it is probably not related sufficiently. The 1974 Chrysler Newport Custom was one of my favourite cars and I am trying to clarify information on it.

More info on the 1941 Newport can be found at Convertible and concept cars. RCNesland (talk) 07:15, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Split the Imperial LeBaron

I say the Imperial LeBaron should be split onto it's own article. I also think the Imperial Crown Limousine should either be split off, or moved to an article on the Imperial Crown (not the one in the link, of course). ---------User:DanTD (talk) 17:45, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

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Merger proposal, part 2

I guess I proposed this years ago and forgot about it. Anyways, someone started a proposal to merge the Acclaim and Spirit together, when I think both should be merged here. Both were one-generation cars while the Chrysler LeBaron wasn't, and it's also the most remembered. Thoughts? Jgera5 (talk) 19:02, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

See that proposal section above: The result of the discussion was a well-reasoned, overwhelming "Do Not Merge." 75.140.28.2 (talk) 22:56, 12 August 2018 (UTC)