Talk:COSCO Shipping

Merger Proposal

@Murgatroyd49: COSCO Group is a predecessor of China COSCO Shipping. I think it is best to have this article redirected to the COSCO Group section of China COSCO Shipping, as the information there is essentially the same as this article. If you object to my proposed redirect, I would point to the UASC section of Hapag-Lloyd. CartleR255 (talk) 13:32, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

The normal method would be to suggest it here first, or suggest merging the two articles. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 14:13, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Murgatroyd49: I suggest a redirect to COSCO Group. What to do now? CartleR255 (talk) 15:51, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

I suggest a merge of the two pages. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 09:56, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@Murgatroyd49: I agree; the two articles should be merged. I summarized most of the COSCO article in a section of China COSCO Shipping. Unless you would like to make an edit, I suggest we now proceed with a section redirect. CartleR255 (talk) 15:09, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Also, should we copy this discussion into the China COSCO Shipping talk page? CartleR255 (talk) 15:11, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I would copy the discussion first in case someone else has further suggestions. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 15:14, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

• Note that COSCO was founded in 1961 and "defunct" (which actually not, just scale back and now as a holding company) at 2015. There is very long history and content to cover and it will be very long to mention here, China COSCO Shipping, which is for the entity that formed in 2015. It just not passing WP:Overlap Matthew hk (talk) 07:08, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Edit Summary

I changed all instances of COSCO Shipping or China COSCO Shipping to COSCO SHIPPING, as that is the English abbreviation of China COSCO Shipping Corporation Limited per the company's website. I also made minor grammatical improvements and added and referenced China Shipping Container Lines membership in the Ocean Three Alliance. CartleR255 (talk) 21:57, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Page Move - case of letters

@Anthony Appleyard: Thanks for moving the article. I would like to clarify that the article title should actually be all uppercase - that is how it is displayed on the company website. CartleR255 (talk) 22:06, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

• @CartleR255: Wikipedia rules specify normal capitalization here (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters), and that all-uppercase is a company stylization and not standard English language usage, unless the name is an acronym. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 03:28, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merge of COSCO (Hong Kong) Group into COSCO Shipping

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The company "COSCO (Hong Kong) Group" seems did not have WP:NCORP, but rather known as a Hong Kong division of China Ocean Shipping (Group) Corporation (COSCO) and now part of COSCO Shipping.

Due to the article is very short, did not have WP:NCORP, i suggest just merge it to COSCO Shipping as a section . Matthew hk (talk) 07:05, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Agree CartleR255 (talk) 17:55, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Agree As Matthew has said, it definitely lacks enough notability to be a standalone article. Threedotshk (talk) 09:12, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Agree Murgatroyd49 (talk) 16:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of COSCO Shipping Holdings into COSCO Shipping

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Ok, listed company should pass WP:NCORP, but the situation of COSCO Shipping Holdings (formerly, China COSCO Holdings) is awkward, since it is the flagship subsidiary of the group that most (but not all) assets of the whole business group are floated in the stock exchange via COSCO Shipping Holdings.

For example, COSCO Shipping Ports in fact a second-tier subsidiary inside the COSCO Shipping group and a first tier subsidiary of COSCO Shipping Holdings. The exception of this company structure, would be some other subsidiary such as COSCO International. which is relatively smaller listed company in its niche business.

COSCO Shipping Holdings also formerly known as "China COSCO Holdings", or in short, "China COSCO", which China COSCO, as a redirect, under WP:RFD. As "China COSCO" is resembled to the ultimate parent company of the group, China COSCO Shipping, aka COSCO Shipping. To sum up, this time, i do think COSCO Shipping Holdings, a listed company, has high degree of overlap with its parent, COSCO Shipping. Thus, there is a merit to merge per WP:Overlap. Matthew hk (talk) 16:47, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Agree Make sure to mention COSCO Shipping Holdings in the subsidiaries section of COSCO Shipping Group. We should also communicate which subsidiaries are second-tier. CartleR255 (talk) 19:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Agree per User:CartleR255 above. His plan also seems reasonable and should happen. GenQuest ^"scribble" 12:49, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

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  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 11:25, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

COSCO Shipping Specialized Carriers

I am not going to create a new article for COSCO Shipping Specialized Carriers, yet another listed company of the group. The listed company, was known as COSCO Shipping Co., Ltd., which unfortunately almost the same as the common name of its parent company (this article). Thus, i redirect it to here. Matthew hk (talk) 16:52, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

COSCO Shipping Lines ≠ COSCON

In the services and subsidiaries section, there is "...COSCO Shipping Lines (COSCON)...". However, COSCO Shipping Lines is formed from the merger of COSCON and CSCL. It no longer uses the COSCON brand. To be fair we should either remove parentheses COSCON or add CSCL. Cartle R255 17:31, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Related Nominations

The following related nominations are now under discussion:

1. Requested Move of COSCO under discussion right here.

2. Deletion Review of Category:China Shipping Group under discussion right here.

3. Proposed rename of Category:COSCO under discussion right here.

I'm neutral on all of them but encourage editors to weigh in whether pro, con or other to help bring consensus. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)