Talk:Check (chess)

garde

Is garde (for an attack on the queen) ever used now, or is it obsolete? It is obsolete as far as I know. Bubba73 (talk), 01:38, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I asked around, and garde is pretty much obsolete. I put that in the article. Bubba73 (talk), 17:28, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

The only players I knew that announced garde while playing chess were a couple of very old players originally from Eastern Europe who, since then, died a long time ago. H Padleckas (talk) 22:24, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Check = a condition on the board

Up until today the lede defined "check" as a threat to capture the king (which it is). User:Mann jess has changed this to define check as a move that threatens to capture the king. (Check is not a move, it is a condition brought about by a move. Check is a condition on the board. "Black is in check." If check is a move not a condition, that sentence makes no sense. Similarly, to "get out of check" makes no sense if check is a move not a condition.) The edit is a disimprovement. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 03:50, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

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History of check

There is no fact supporting what is written here: "In early Sanskrit chess (c. 500–700) the king could be captured and this ended the game." There is only 1 Sanskrit text dealing with chess in that period, the Harshacharita from Bana, and it doesn't give any rules. The earliest rules we have in an Indian text are from the 12th century (Manasollasa). The earliest chess rules descriptions we have come from the Muslim word, for example al-Adli. Indian, Persian or Arabian, in all known sources the game was ended before the real capture of the King. Earliest end games were checkmate (shah mat), stalemate too, and the most common was to capture the last piece of the opponent leaving his king isolated. 91.165.15.234 (talk) 18:43, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I was not logged. I am the author of this comment. I'm the author of "A World Of Chess", McFarland, 2017 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cazaux (talk • contribs) 18:45, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

The source given is Davidson, which as far as I know is not available on line. I'd be interested to see the quote, and if he in turn has any sources for the claim. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 18:49, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Check when king is attacked, even if opponent cannot actually capture

The article should be clarified that check occurs when a king is attacked, even if the opponent could not actually make the "king capture" as it would put himself in check.

https://chess.stackexchange.com/questions/2348/can-a-piece-pinned-to-my-king-put-the-opponents-king-in-check

FIDE rules:

3.9 The king is said to be 'in check' if it is attacked by one or more of the opponent's pieces, even if such pieces are constrained from moving to that square because they would then leave or place their own king in check. No piece can be moved that will either expose the king of the same colour to check or leave that king in check. Wqwt (talk) 21:22, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, I've made an attempt to include it in the description of check. No doubt it will get copyedited a little more. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 00:11, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

The queen warning

Some players at the chess.com forum report that when they were taught the game, they learned the old fashioned rule, usually from their father who learned it from his father etc, that you should warn the opponent when the queen was attacked (not usually in French, something like "check to your queen"). Are there any reliable sources to indicate that this practice persists in informal games? MaxBrowne2 (talk) 03:19, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't have a reference, but it was true. You would say "guard" or "guard your queen". Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 04:04, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

See chess.com. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 04:53, 11 August 2022 (UTC)