Talk:Carpet cleaning

Removed an advertisement from www.carpetsteamclean.net. Keep an eye out for them. --24.18.253.78 (talk) 02:00, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

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Networkingcleaner (talk) 02:15, 16 June 2010 (UTC)== Pet Urine ==

Pet urine in carpet can be cleaned to a certain extent but may never come completely out. Use Vinegar and Water to help neutralize the odor and stain. Hydrogen Peroxide helps with removing the stain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Networkingcleaner (talk • contribs) 02:13, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Urine is acidic in nature. Due to biological processes it is converted into carbon dioxide and ammonia. The interaction of this acid and ammonia creates salt crystals, which are hydrophilic. These crystals absorb moisture allowing further bacterial decomposition of the urine.--Jay Jetty (talk) 18:59, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

This article includes a section which is labeled as comparing steam cleaning to extraction. That section then goes on to explain that the terms steam cleaning and extraction are often incorrectly used interchangeably. Then it explains extraction. Steam cleaning is mentioned to point out that carpet could be damaged but this section certainly does not read like a comparison of steam & extraction.

propaganda statement...

The following statement: "Particularly, encapsulation and other green technologies work better, are easier to use, require less training, save more time and money, and lead to less re-soiling than prior methods" is propaganda from the manufacturers of chemicals related to "green" and encapsulation cleaning methods.  There is no independent, third-party research to validate this statement.

Advertisement by User:Pragmatically

User:Pragmatically has persistently included an advertisement and I have added the following to his or her talk page (reproduced here as evidence that he or she has been warned, before taking further action).

Hi Pragmatically,
Please refrain from adding the commercial link from the carpet cleaning article. Advertising commercial interests is against Wikipedia guidelines. If you restore the link (or similar), you will be reported for abuse.
Thanks,
cmɢʟee☺τaʟκ  17:54, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Reads like an ad

There is a ton of advertising/propaganda language on this page. Also, the grammar and punctuation is not great. There are a lot of run-on sentences. I cleaned up a little in the Dry Cleaning section, but the whole thing needs to be gone over.

Would it be better to remove all the talk about advantages and benefits? A lot of that is where I'm seeing propaganda.

Disclaimer: I do clean carpets for a living, but I work for a college. It's not cut throat here, whereas it can be with carpet cleaners vying for residential and commercial business. Kdulcimer (talk) 13:08, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Advice: yes or no?

I spent some time going over the first few paragraphs.

My understanding is that second-person language is not okay. For example, "You should clean your carpets yearly" is not OK, whereas "Many carpet cleaners recommend a yearly cleaning" would be OK. Or would it? We're kind of telling people what to do, pushing them down a path.

Maybe it would be a good idea to make this article shorter and more basic. Here's hot water extraction, here's bonnet cleaning, here's dry cleaning. Little to no talk of the advantages and disadvantages of each. Kdulcimer (talk) 21:29, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Your suggestions certainly have my support. Keeping it clean would be nice! :-D Much of the text that is left in this article appears to be leftovers from promotional additions in years past. It seems more than a few companies had decided their websites were the perfect source for information on the topic, and when the promotional links were removed, the promotional tone of the text remained. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be a topic that interests many of Wikipedia's more encyclopedic editors. Scr★pIron^IV 21:38, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the need for a long article. I know of only two real methods of carpet care: extraction and buffing. I think all other forms of carpet care are variations thereof. If anybody wants to correct me, I'm certainly open to that. But right now, I'm heading down the route that this article needs to be wiped and replaced with something much shorter and simpler. Kdulcimer (talk) 20:26, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

I removed a couple of unsourced ones, check the sources on the other prior to removal. I would think that the "Vacuum wash" as described would not be a dry-cleaning process at all... but, not my area of expertise. Scr★pIron^IV 20:40, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

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Health Risks

Most carpet cleaners use a toxic soup that leaves behind harmful fumes & residues that can seriously affect your family's health. Some of the solvents used for dry cleaning of carpets contain butyloxy ethanol, which can cause liver, central nervous system and kidney damage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Icarecleaning (talk • contribs) 20:06, 6 June 2020 (UTC) Carpet cleaning has been associated with numerous health risks. There needs to be a section about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.55.254.67 (talk) 07:53, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source. Schazjmd (talk) 20:10, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Commercial carpet cleaning

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I don't understand while the commercial aspect of the subject is not discussed in the article. I keep trying to start a section mentioning hotels and restaurants. The section should be expanded to discuss a further variety of business.

It is a well known fact in the hotel industry that carpet cleaning is one of the most expensive outside services, and that full service hotels commonly run trades for accommodations and treat carpet cleanings like literal royalty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.68.156.194 (talk • contribs)

This is an encyclopedia article about the cleaning of carpets, not about the business of cleaning carpets. And if you were the editor adding that content that kept being removed, please note that your "source" was unverifiable. Was it a book? (Worldcat.org doesn't locate it.) No ISBN, no publisher. Or was it a journal article? If so, where was it published and by whom? Schazjmd (talk) 01:07, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I just happened to run across this. I completely agree commercial carpet cleaning needs to be discussed. As a hotel employee I can also state that dining room carpet cleaning is a massive cost. At my hotel, the carpet cleaner does not bill us if he can stay for free... But we all literally have to be ready to greet him in our best polished shoes and pressed suits. The Executive Chef even personally prepares him whatever he wants-- no need to order off menu.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1006:B01C:764E:0:4C:DC59:4F01 (talk • contribs)

I can sure relate. At my hotel the carpet cleaning vendor is higher up on the organizational flow chart than the owner himself — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1006:B01C:764E:0:4C:DC59:4F01 (talk • contribs)

Again, even if sourced, information about the business of carpet cleaners is not relevant to or appropriate for this article. (Nor the Floor cleaning article someone tried to copy the same content to.) The only purpose I can think of for the concerted effort to make Wikipedia say that hotels routinely give freebies to carpet cleaners is so those vendors can point their customers to it to say "see, you should comp us because even Wikipedia says that's the norm in the business". Schazjmd (talk) 13:46, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I don't think that's what's happening here. Carpet cleaners know that already. And they know hotels know. It's the industry norm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1006:B01C:764E:0:4C:DC59:4F01 (talk • contribs)

Another hotelier chiming in here. The Jay Shrock source is solid-- one of the leading college textbooks in hospitality management. Yes, VIP open tabs are the industry norm at full service hotels for carpet cleaners who come from out of town and work multiple nights. At my hotel the running joke is that the upgrade from the master suite, the upgrade from the presidential suite-- that's the carpet cleaner suite.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Flawless Editing (talk • contribs)

As noted, you'll need to provide some more specifics around the alleged source. In December, you added a link to the general accounting text title Financial and Managerial Accounting, written by different authors. The cited page had nothing on it at all related to the topic. This makes it difficult to take your addition at face value; the deliberate misdirection along with the pretense of being multiple people makes this appear to be simple vandalism. Please do not make any more edits without explicit sourcing. Thanks. Kuru (talk) 13:22, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Chiming in here as a reader, not the author of the disputed content... It is the norm in the industry for carpet cleaners to conduct generous tradeouts with hotels. I have to remain anonymous and can't go public. But I am the GM for a 1,000+ room luxury hotel. In 2018 we had a reservation for a former U.S. president in the area for a speaking engagement. We actually downgraded his room to accommodate our carpet cleaner, who wanted our one and only 2 level oceanfront presidential suite because he was bringing his wife that week while cleaning one of our dining room carpets. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1006:b028:aa89:0:46:6788:c101 (talk • contribs)

One employee even asked me, 'If God himself had a reservation, would you bump him for our carpet cleaner?' I said yes. After all good carpet cleaning can cost you a whole week of F&B revenue if you don't have a tradeout arrangement in place; and you never know when the brand will send a quality department inspector. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1006:b028:aa89:0:46:6788:c101 (talk • contribs)

This is all very exciting, but unless you can come up with a real source that supports the content you are proposing, you're wasting your time. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 03:48, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Even with a source, I don't consider it relevant or encyclopedic. What hotels pay their vendors or what benefits they offer has no place in this article, IMO. Schazjmd (talk) 13:13, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

I've blocked the anon IP range for trolling here and vandalism elsewhere. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:16, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

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In context, the source is necessary.

This article is fine, even if it came from the industry and commercial sources. However, more detail is welcome. After all, what other source exists? I haven't seen a single academic paper on the subject. Just imagine if UCLA School of Carpet Cleaning were to publish and grant degrees.— Ineuw talk 04:18, 5 May 2021 (UTC)