Talk:Vaud

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To the new user (I assume it's somebody new) who created this entry:

Welcome to the Wikipedia. I hope you decide to stay around and continue to help out! You might want to have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. States and see if a similar format is suitable for the Swiss cantons. In any case, it would be good if all the canton articles were consistent in format and aimed to at least contain the same basic information. --Robert Merkel 09:41, 5 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Latin Europe

Hello Vaud! There is a vote going on at Latin Europe that might interest you. Please everyone, do come and give your opinion and votes. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 21:18, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Suspect unreferenced history

The Bernese occupants were not popular amongst the population and the French Revolutionary troops were received with enthusiasm in 1798. The French troops were victorious and a Lemanic Republic was declared. This was soon turned into the canton of Léman, which in 1803 joined the Swiss confederation.

It seems very improbable that opinions and feelings about the Bernese and about the French Revolution, let alone invasion or liberation by French Revolutionary troops, would have been other than divided. I think it's quite inappropriate to make claims about 'not popular' or 'enthusiasm' without at least supplying a source, but preferably (as it would still not carry any credibility) identifying with whom the Bernese were unpopular and the invaders were received enthusiastically.

I'm not inclined to edit this until I know more about it. However I am removing the trivia about Ian Fleming and his (fictitious?) biography of James Bond. There are much more significant people to mention in connection with Vaud, though perhaps under 'Lausanne' etc rather than here. At any rate I hope that if someone is passionate about restoring the Fleming/Bond connection they'll find or make a better spot than in the history section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alkhowarizmi (talk • contribs) 13:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

It's a well known fact that the French speaking Swiss are not (shall we say) "best of friends" with regards to the German speaking Swiss. This text is fine and does not need editing. -- Île flottɑnte~Floɑting islɑnd ^Talk 20:32, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

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Bold page move

@ZH8000: regarding your bold page move from Vaud to Canton of Vaud, in your edit summary you are referring to a geographical and cultural region Vaud. How exactly is the region different from the canton of Vaud, i.e. which cities and villages belong to the canton but not to the region, or vice versa? Marcocapelle (talk) 10:20, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Firstly, excuse my late response; better late than never. Canton of Vaud is the official naming, while Vaud is a short version only, however used very often (as long as the context refers to the canton). The term 'Vaud' is a homonym, which also can refer to a geographical, cultural and others (climate, language, ..) contexts, which often do not have that dedicated borders as the cantonal (legal) meaning has! For example, Céligny and Bossey belong culturally to the Vaud but they are part of the canton of Geneva. This is a general pattern for all Swiss cantons. -- ZH8000 (talk) 20:48, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

As usual, User:ZH8000 is didactically discussing subjects he knows nothing about. Céligny does not only belong politically to the Canton of Geneva, but had had very strong ties with it for centuries, and certainly cannot be qualified as "belonging culturally to Vaud". On the other hand, the fact that Bossey is a French commune, which is thus not in the least a part of the Canton of Geneva (although very near), and which is definitely not "culturally belonging to Vaud", should warn us not to be too confident in ZH8000 surprising assertions. Especially regarding the bold allegation that "this is a general pattern for all Swiss cantons". "En Vaud" is simply very rarely used all by itself in Switzerland; one rather says "dans le canton de Vaud" or (with a touch of patriotic tradition) "dans le Pays de Vaud". Sapphorain (talk) 21:55, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

My dear Sapphy, if I would be you then I would thoroughly and shamefacedly reconsider your very own words - by the way the same way you were proven wrong about the currently used German name(s) of Lausanne (Losannen) after a very long and very cumbersome obstruction by you (from Sept 2017 until April 2018).

Of course there is a French Bossey, but there is also a Swiss one, eventually just next to Céligny, namely the hamlet Petit Bossey and Chateau Bossey. But I was indeed wrong since this Bossey indeed belongs to canton of Vaud. – Anyhow, it should only be an example for how the political view can differ from a cultural, regional, or geographical term.

Nevertheless, in German-speaking Switzerland the phrase "im Waadt" is quite more common than "Kanton Waadt"; and the regional term "Waadt" is often quite loosly used to refer to a rather fuzzy region without sharp borders, even if they for example talk about Estavayer-Le-Lac FR or Villeneuve FR.

Probably this is not so obvious regarding 'le Vaud' in French. But a very obvious example is the Val Calanca, which obviously and undisputably belongs geographically (the water of the river Calancasca flows into to the Italian Po), linguistically (they speak an Italian dialect) and meteorological/climatological (they are used to Tessin's weather forcasts) to the Tessin, even though the Val Calanca politically belongs to the Grisons – indeed since centuries.

And finally please, would you mind to adhere to the WP:TALK rules. Thank you very much.

-- ZH8000 (talk) 23:06, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

I came to this old discussion after noticing the odd page title. I'm not convinced by the argument ZH8000 gave for moving the page.

First, it may very well be that the official name is "Canton of Vaud", but Wikipedia articles prefer the common name, not the official name (I think the policy is WP:COMMON). We also have articles named "France", not "French Republic" (or even "République française"), and "California", not "State of California".

The other argument is that the term "Vaud" refers to a geographical area that does not exactly match the borders of the canton of Vaud. That may very well be, but there is nothing in our article that supports this claim; there is no article on Vaud (geography) and there is no discussion of the ambiguity of the term in the article on the canton. It seems to me that we should first establish through reliable sources that this alternative sense of the term "Vaud" exists, before we rename the article.

I'm going to rename the article back now to its previous name. A renaming to "Canton of Vaud" will require more evidence. Ucucha (talk) 07:25, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

I welcome to name change back to Vaud. As a Vaudois myself, I’d like to add that I don’t think the article’s name should in any way be affected by how Swiss Germans refer to our Canton. Furthermore, whilst it’s correct that in French it’s incorrect to say à Vaud, en Vaud, etc, we do say sur Vaud, for example “Les gens sont quand même plus sympa sur Vaud qu’à Genève.” The historical borders of the pays de Vaud are exactly as they sound: history. The Germany article is not entitled Federal Republic of Germany instead of Germany on some pretence that historically Germany included territory now possessed by other countries. Île flottante (talk) 11:44, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Notaable people

Why isn't Alexandre Yersin, the dsiover of the bacteria that causes plague Yersina Pestis, included as a notable perosn from Vaud. See his entry in the Wikipedia, 71.190.105.78 (talk) 22:31, 16 July 2023 (UTC)