Talk:Cal State Los Angeles Golden Eagles

Name

I moved this article to reflect the correct name of the university. Cal State Los Angeles is not, and has never been the correct name, and is not used by the athletic department. Under President Covino's branding initiative, the university is know only two ways: by its full correct name or as Cal State LA. Even CSULA is no longer used. It's absurd to have an article using a non-existent name for a real institution. --Drmargi (talk) 20:20, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

We go by the WP:COMMONNAME for the institution, not what the university wants it to be named. If anything, it should be Cal State Los Angeles Golden Eagles, but their website says Cal State LA athletics. (LA spelled out is more common right now). NCAA.com goes with Cal-State Los Angeles, the conference says L.A. The name you have now goes against WikiProject standards. As I said on your talk page, I'm reverting until a consensus can be built as there is no consensus for this new name you've put it under. If you revert again, I'll have an admin move protect it. Corkythehornetfan 20:48, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Where in God's green earth did you guys get the idea that the common name is Cal State Los Angeles? It is not and never has been used. The common name is Cal State LA, with no dash. The athletic department is fully aligned with the new branding standards. What the conference uses is irrelevant. They also call UCLA Cal LA. anyone ever hear UCLA called that?? --Drmargi (talk) 21:09, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

No. And the branding initiative doesn't matter, either. COMMONNAME is the controlling factor. It looks like "Cal State LA" gets as many Google hits as "California State University Los Angeles". The latter location is where the article about the school is located. As relates to the Golden Eagles, it looks like "Cal State LA" is more commonly used. That said, the use of "LA" for Los Angeles is really very insular to SoCal. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:41, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

If Cal State LA fits WP:COMMONNAME, that's fine. I have no issue with it, and it's how we generally refer to the university. My issue is with the use of a name made up by the conference that is just wrong, particularly with reliable sources that give us what is CORRECT. Simply put, there is no such place as Cal State Los Angeles. --Drmargi (talk) 22:05, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

While sources are light for Division II, we do seem to adhere to WP:COMMONNAME per:

• ESPN.com and Cal State-Los Angeles Golden Eagles College Basketball
• LATimes.com and "Mike Garrett, the 1965 Heisman Trophy winner who was USC's athletic director for nearly 17 years, will become the AD at Cal State Los Angeles."
• MSN.com and "Cal State-Los Angeles Golden Eagles"

While obviously non-exhaustive, perhaps those interested in changing can provide can provide additional sources. UW Dawgs (talk) 04:52, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

I agree that COMMONNAME is the guiding principle, and that the University's (essentially) marketing efforts are entirely beside the point until, at some time in the indefinite future, they may take hold and become the COMMONNAME. But even if they were relevant they would not justify an article move here, inasmuch as the initiative itself states, "The University has two approved nicknames: Cal State LA and Cal State Los Angeles", either of which are "acceptable on first reference." Link. JohnInDC (talk) 22:20, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Keep: Cal State Los Angeles; per COMMONNAME and this is also how the NCAA refers to the school. In this case, the school's branding guide verifies its use as an officially approved nickname. Msjraz64 (talk) 18:53, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Keep: Cal State Los Angeles Golden Eagles, as argued by Msjraz64 and Corkythehornetfan. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:33, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

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