Talk:Brothers in Arms (album)

Release date?

If Brothers in Arms was released in 1985, it can't have been "one of the first albums to be released on CD" as the article states - the CD format had been in existence for 2-3 years by that time. AdorableRuffian 23:11, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

It was one the first albums to be released primarily for the CD market, being fully digital (DDD). "[In 1985] we were fighting to get our CDs manufactured because the entire worldwide manufacturing capacity was overwhelmed by demand for a single rock title (Dire Straits’ Brothers in Arms)." from the Rykodisc website (http://www.rykodisc.com/RykoInternal/20years/page_03.asp)

Concerning DDD and "fully digital" Chuck Ainlay said: “The original album, which I consider to be a masterpiece, was mixed in a SSL4000 analogue console from the analogue outputs of the DASH 3324,” says Ainlay. “However, I would still consider that to be an ‘all-digital’ album. To be honest, at the time, there was no way of doing a pure DDD album, so the analogue stage of mixing through a console was never differentiated on the CD jewelbox. Anyway, apart from a few analogue slave reels, there was never any analogue tape storage stage where you would ‘lose’ it, so to speak.” highfidelityreview.com Figure19 (talk) 16:07, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

CD normalization

Is it true that the reason this album seems 'quiet' when you play it today, that the disc was normalized at 80% rather than the more typical 95+% used now-a-days? This would fit with the 'one of the first albums released on CD' idea, since if CD was a fairly new format, they'd have still been experimenting? Anybody know?

It has more to do with compression than it does normalization. The production on Brothers im Arms has great dynamic range. Most modern albums are compressed to the point of clipping.

See loudness war for more info on this problem. Cpc464 (talk) 12:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Song Durations

The durations of songs 4, 5 and 6 are different from what allmusic claims: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:osrj281c056a I don't own the album myself, so it'd be nice if someone who owns the CD could check which are correct. /Pattrick 21:46, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure but i've a feeling some of the songs on the CD were longer mixes compared to the vinyl release, I think the vinyl release had a shorter version of Money for Nothing (Single mix perhaps?) I just seem to remember that the vinyl would fit on 1 side of a c90 audio cassette (45 mins) --born against 12:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I just modified the track times (seconds only differences) per my 1985 CD release. I did buy it on vinyl originally but no longer own that record. --Fantailfan 13:12, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the vinyl album did have shorter versions of some of the songs, but I never owned it, so I don't know what the timings were. Wasted Time R 14:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Five of the nine songs from the album were originally shorter on vinyl. Here are those five songs and the times. "So Far Away," 3:59, also the duration on the U.S. 45. "Money for Nothing," 7:04. "Your Latest Trick," 4:46. "Why Worry," 5:22. "Ride Across the River," 5:57. These are transcribed from the U.S. Warner Bros. LP label. Some of the other times are slightly different than the CD times, but not significantly so. Cheemo 31 Oct 2006

So, why isn't this difference reflected in the applicable article chapter? Zigwithbag (talk) 18:41, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Aren't the LP versions o "So Far Away" and "Your Latest Trick" actually the single versions, or radio edits? At least "Your Latest Trick" I've always heard on radio without the slow intro, beginning right at the sax solo, as on LP. Rsnetto74 (talk) 00:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I own a copy of the US Warner Brothers LP. Comparing it to the CD (which I've checked out of the local library), "Walk Of Life" and "Ride Across The River" are the same duration on both LP and CD. Dlokazip (talk) 05:01, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Johnny Mathis?

"Walk of Life" "pays tribute to the American singer Johnny Mathis". Where does that come from? I'm no rock historian, but I was young when the titles mentioned by MK came out, and I know Johnny Mathis is a ballad singer who did not do "Bee-Bop-a-Lula", "What'd I Say" (Ray Charles), "I've got a woman" (RC again), and "Boney-Marony".

Could someone check on it and correct it? --Logomachon 21:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

This entire article is a disservice to MK and the album, drenched in pre-teen sophomoric pretentious nonsense. Someone with the time and ability to care can do a complete rewrite. This article is a disgrace.

National Resonator

On the National Reso-Phonic site, the guitar on the cover is listed as "National Style O", not Style 0. But which one is correct? They also list Style 1, 2, 3 and 4. 85.76.253.210 (talk) 17:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Master recording

It is stated that the master recording is digital. Does anyone know the details of the master? For example, what was the sample rate and bit depth?

It might be a surprise for a lot of hi-res lovers (including me), but it's a Sony 16-bit 44.1 kHz DASH format. Details here. Figure19 (talk) 16:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Vocab

Look up the definition of bombastic. You're using it wrong.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.41.56 (talk) 08:39, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

mangled bit

lyrically focused on guerrilla, male comradery and militarism.

I think some words are missing from that bit. and surely a better word would be 'comradeship'? --LeedsKing (talk) 18:38, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Eric Clapton

I'm not sure but I think that Eric Clapton plays lead guitar on One World. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.8.183.153 (talk) 22:52, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Roots rock? new wave?

Why does the infobox (?) say Roots rock and new wave? This seems incorrect to me. Can I edit it?

http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/dire_straits/brothers_in_arms/ Genres: Pop Rock, Rock, Blues Rock

http://www.last.fm/music/Dire+Straits/_/Brothers+in+Arms classic rock

http://www.allmusic.com/album/brothers-in-arms-mw0000650079 Genre: Pop/Rock Styles: Album Rock, Contemporary Pop/Rock, Rock & Roll

Double Happiness (talk) 12:39, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

It's absolute nonsense. Dire Straits were not part of new wave and the AllMusic source doesn't say it's new wave. It mentions pop, however, several times. I keep correcting it. Rodericksilly (talk) 15:06, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Walk of Life

Walk of Life" ... The song was nearly left off the album, but was included after the band out-voted producer Neil Dorfsman.

Do you have same proof for that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.128.159.173 (talk) 20:02, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Digital Recording

Neil Dorfsman says the digital multitrack was mixed on an analog board with the resulting two track mix re-digitized via a Prism A/D converter and recorded on a DAT machine, so really the recording was DAD DAD ist wrong, it's DDD actually. The first letter is for the rape recorder used during recording/racking, the second letter denotes the tape recorder during mixing/editing. That's why DAD is wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.128.159.173 (talk) 20:10, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Drumming

This article quotes an article from 2006 where Neil Dorfsman says Omar Hakim re-recorded all the drumming on the album. But in another interview from 1999 Dorfsman says Hakim re-recorded three quarters of the drums on the album. I don't know which Dorfman interview we should trust, or maybe both versions should be mentioned. Floyd (talk) 20:06, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

This interview says Hakim re-recorded everything except the intro to "Money for Nothing". Dorfsman also says that Neil Jason played the bass on "One World" and Tony Levin might have played on "Why Worry". Yippie, now we've got even more contradiction! Jules TH 16 (talk) 20:14, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Also, the source for Jack Sonni playing guitar synth on "The Man's Too Strong" has nothing supporting that. It may still be true but the aricle does not mention it. Can anybody find a better source? Jules TH 16 (talk) 20:19, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 30 May 2016

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Brothers in Arms (Dire Straits album) → Brothers in Arms (album) – Joan Baez album is not notable, so we don't need "Dire Straits" in the title here, as it's unnecessary disambiguation. Unreal7 (talk) 19:07, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

• Support per nom. There is no article for the Joan Baez album. ("Brothers in Arms [Joan Baez album]" redirects to her discography.) Just add a hatnote to this article and it will make it easier for Baez fans to find her discography. —  AjaxSmack  02:56, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
• Support removing the unnecessary part of the title. Board Wesger (talk) 20:08, 4 June 2016 (UTC).

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