Talk:Bleeding

Spelling

Is that spelling correct for "Venus"? yes Dictionary.com seems to think so. Sr.Wombat 03:37, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

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Bleeding used to be an old medical technique for dealing with certain ailments. Can someone who knows about this update this page?

I think traumatic bleeding should be thrown into hemorrhage and maybe this page could deal more with therapeutic bleeding. I look into getting some goss on that.--ZZ 07:44, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Doesn't the average adult have 4 liters of blood?

"The average adult can lose approximately 2 quarts (2 liters) of blood without lasting harm but will be in medical danger after 4 quarts (4 l) and could die of hypovolemic shock if more blood is lost."

I just wanted to check this out, even though I'm not a doctor... Sabbut 22:54, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

AFAIK, an average adult has 5 L of blood, and a loss of 2 L is deadly. But I'm not a doctor either Cdang 15:34, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

You are correct. Your body has an avg of 5L of blood. You can handle 10% loss without a change in blood pressure or cardiac output. Loss of 30-40% (like you said 2L) is fatal. Guyton&Hall Textbook of Medical Physiology Badbrad101 (talk) 20:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible for a 15 year old boy to die of a brain heommorage without recieving any symtoms?

Old "remedy"

In the old days, people were bled for "therapeutic" purposes. Do we have an article on that? David.Monniaux 16:33, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes. See Bloodletting. - Cybergoth 13:00, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

What happened here?

Why was the information about the different types of bleeding (arterial, etc.) removed? This article is about bleeding in general, not just about first aid. I'm putting that back in ASAP. -- Mstroeck 22:49, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Merging Hemorrhage into this article

I think Hemorrhage should be merged into this article. The Hemorrhage article is not very big and needs to be cleaned up anyways. (I'm willing to do it.) - Cybergoth 12:50, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Severe traumatic bleeding

I've changed the current advice in the Severe traumatic bleeding section. Attending to bleeding should only be attempted after following the basic principles of first aid. Calling the emergency services should come before attempting to treat wounds yourself.

Additionally, I'd like to point out that, depending on circumstances, removing the cause of a wound is usually not the correct way to proceed. If the bleeding is severe then pulling out a foreign object may be the equivalent of removing a plug from a geyser. As a general rule it should be left until a medical professional can assess the situation properly. Al001 23:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Several Treatment Issues

This article has an odd feel too it. I'm wondering from what boy scout or army field manual it was written. Some of the treatment advice given seem somewhat dated. I'll try to revise with newer and referenced material as time permits.

Minor bleeding needs a something about wound cleansing as aseptics haven't really shown benefit in well cleaned wounds.

The Severe Bleeding portion needs to be much clearer. Plus, pressure is always recommended for bleeding, followed by pressure dressings, then ice and elevation. Splints should be applied to open fractures to reduce bleeding. I'll have to verify, but I believe that fracture reduction can be attempted to reduce bleeding it other measured have failed. Tournaquets are last resort, even in amputations. Pressure, either direct or arterial, is often enough. And you do want to loosen tournaquets after a few hours to prevent infarction. I have no idea how loosening a tournaquet will cause infarction...except maybe from bleeding out.

Anyone else have thoughts? Bdolcourt 02:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I especially concur on the tourniquet point. I can find no resource that would recommend anyone with little enough training as to be getting first-aid advice on Wikipedia (that is, those who aren't health care professionals, emergency services, etc.) applying a tourniquet as anything other than a last resort. Even the basic high school CPR/first aid training course relates that much information. We need to change that. Everyday847 04:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Where did the entire treatment section go? I believe that it would be a terrible oversight to not even mention treatments used to control bleeding. I cross checked the first aid article, and there is nothing there either about techniques to control bleeding. I am not personally qualified to write this section, but I would suggest at least mentioning applying pressure and seeing a medical professional if certain conditions (that I do not know) are met. 216.196.202.128 (talk) 07:22, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Changes Made

I've made some changes to address some of the thoughts above. Also, made some deletions, which I hope will not upset anyone. I am a Board-certified Hematologist and also spent 5 years as an Emergency Physician. These edits are based on my experience and are documented in the literature, although I don't have time to find the references. Hopefully this first attempt will provide the skeleton for me or someone else to improve in the future.

I did delete some sections relating to the emergency treatment of bleeding. I hope this won't upset anyone. Unfortunately, I have seen people bleed seriously as people felt that they were not empowered to stop the bleeding by grabbing any cloth (dirty, clean, whatever) and just holding firm pressure. It is more important to save the person's life than to worry about causing another injury or contaminating the wound. That being said, these factors are important, if it is possible to consider them. We can give antibiotics to deal with contaminate wounds, but we can't (usually) bring someone back from death.

Other sections were edited, but I tried to leave in as much of the original as possible.

HTW 22:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

What idiot deleted the bleeding page! I was using it for a medical school project, jerk!

undone! Mike.lifeguard 04:03, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Changes made to wound types

I changed Laceration to a different definition and removed incision. My source is Emergency Responce, written by the Red Cross of America. If you have anything that contradicts this, just tell me. I seriously won't be editing that part again if you do. 67.171.167.106 07:11, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, thanks for your edit (especially as it's sourced!). I have put it back, as there is a clear medical difference between incision and laceration, although in some cases laceration is used to describe both, so i'm updating the article to reflect this. Certainly the UK official first aid manual (published by the Red Cross, St John Ambulance and St Andrews Ambulance jointly) recognise the difference, as does the UK IHCD ambulance training syllabus. Cheers Owain.davies 09:33, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Alright, that's fair enough, and we do need to include the opinions (and facts) from other countries, otherwise this would become a solely american article very fast. And you do look like you know more than me.. Oh, by the way, 6.7.171.167.106 is my IP adress, I was using it until I could figure out my username again. Silverfireshadow 08:51, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Anticoagulants

doi:10.1182/blood-2007-10-120543 deals specifically with the difficult situation of bleeding while the patient is receiving anticoagulant drugs. JFW | T@lk 05:19, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

doi:10.1111/j.1365-2141.2011.08885.x - major trauma hemorrhage and how to treat with blood products. JFW | T@lk 18:42, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

my left ear is bleeding, small amounts but enough to show a fair amount on a napkin and ear swab..

No one here knows where to send me or what to do. Because I am on Coumadin and the fact that I have a genetic connective tissue illness.

I have stage 3 aortic dissection- carotids dissection, aorta dissection-repaired with large graft,aortic valve replacement, lower aorta is now at 4cm, rated by doctor as severe, stage 4.

I do not know where to get information on one of the best overall doctors or hospitals to have check me out. I live in Ms. There is no one here. Can anyone advise me?

judee — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.243.41.158 (talk) 22:02, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Menstruation

There should be some mention of menstruation, at least whether it counts as "bleeding" in this sense. —Ashley Y 02:24, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Major/massive hemorrhage

We currently don't have an article on major/massive hemorrhage. There are various definitions. In the UK all hospitals require a policy and response to major haemorrhage (NPSA Rapid Response Report NPSA/2010/017).

The haematology society has now issued new guidance: doi:10.1111/bjh.13580 JFW | T@lk 16:10, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Copious hatnote info - consider DAB page

May I ask for a consensus on whether or not all of the above information is required on the hatnote. A dab page might make the page cleaner. Edaham (talk) 08:56, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

It's been a while since I posted this so I will make the changes I feel are necessary after a brief wait of at most one day. Many thanks Edaham (talk) 05:32, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

A list from ChatCGP+ Jan 30 iteration

Is there anything obvious we are missing?

Please list all foods, including spices, that may cause or aggravate bleeding, in ascending order of Please list all foods, including spices, that may cause or aggravate bleeding, in ascending order of Please list all foods, including spices, that may cause or aggravate bleeding, in ascending order of potency:

Here is a list of some of the most common culprits, listed in order of potency:

1. Aspirin: Aspirin is a medication that is commonly used to prevent blood clots, but it can also increase the risk of bleeding, particularly if taken in high doses or over a prolonged period of time.
2. Garlic: Garlic has blood-thinning properties that can help to prevent blood clots, but it can also increase the risk of bleeding, particularly if consumed in large amounts or in supplement form.
3. Ginger: Ginger is another natural blood thinner that can increase the risk of bleeding, particularly if consumed in large amounts or in supplement form.
4. Turmeric: Turmeric is a spice that is often used in Indian and Middle Eastern cuisine, and it has natural anti-inflammatory properties that can help to improve blood flow. However, it can also increase the risk of bleeding, particularly if consumed in supplement form.
5. Cayenne pepper: Cayenne pepper is a spicy pepper that is often used to add flavor and heat to dishes. It can increase the risk of bleeding, particularly if consumed in large amounts or in supplement form.
6. Alcohol: Alcohol can thin the blood and increase the risk of bleeding, particularly if consumed in large amounts or on a regular basis.

Fish oil: Fish oil is a popular dietary supplement that is rich in omega-3 fatty acids, which can help to improve heart health and reduce inflammation. However, it can also increase the risk of bleeding, particularly if consumed in large amounts or if you are taking other blood-thinning medications.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fred Bauder (talk • contribs) 10:48, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Brain anerosmys

I have over 125 brain aneurysm in the left side of.I had brain surgery in 2011 January 25 th of 2011 it was the largest brain aneurysms no heart trouble at all 192.24.104.68 (talk) 10:05, 15 March 2024 (UTC)