Talk:Billy Vaughn

Place of Death

On this page it states that Billy Vaughn died in Palomar, California. On The Hilltoppers page it is stated that he died in Escondido, California. Anyone care to explain? Azior 19:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

• Yes, I have seen sources that said he died in both places, but Palomar is more prevalent from these sources, so that is what I putGarr1984 02:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Palomar has no hospital, and Escondido is the closest one to Palomar...so technically, he probably did die in Escondido, but spent the last of his time in Palomar...a beautiful mountaintop town, still. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.151.127 (talk) 16:56, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

• Since when does someone have to die in a hospital? Er Wer Schreib Es (talk) 23:41, 16 May 2008 (UTC)§

Charts

Since there seems to be some controversy, Billy Vaughn charted 28 singles on Billboard's Hot 100, and 36 albums on the Billboard top albums chart. 78.26 (talk) 21:46, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

No controversy, simply an inaccurate statement that that automatically makes him the most successful orchestra leader of all time. For example, Ray Conniff has 51 entries in the Billboard Hot Album Charts and several times the number of gold records Vaughn had. I'm perfectly OK with this article stating that Vaughn is "ONE of the most successful," but an unqualified statement like that is simply inaccurate. Though Percy Faith "only" had 30 Billboard album charts, he sold manifestly more records than Vaughn ever did. Before you say something snarky like "perhaps you should consult the charts," you should take into account some of us know Joel Whitburn and have access to a lot of databases. Thanks. 98.232.135.153 (talk) 00:53, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments and reply. Apologies for sounding snarky. I took your edit to be mis-informed becase the sentence says "based purely on chart success". The sentence does not say anything about sales, only chart action. However, it needs to be conceeded that this only accounts for the US market. So while Paul Mauriat did not have the success in the US that Vaughn had, I couldn't comment on the international scene. Regarding Ray Conniff, it seems his biggest chart successes were as a choral director ("and the singers"), rather than as an orchestra leader (but when discussing the career or Ray Conniff it seems unjust to pidgeon hole this composer/arranger/jazzman/easy-listening icon into one place). Perhaps you can help me craft sentences that state: (presuming they're accurate):

1. Vaughn had more instrumental charting singles than any other orchestra leader (in the United States)
2. Vaughn charted an unusual number of instrumental albums on the US charts (do you know anyone who ranks higher? (should the Conniff singers be included?) Vaughn had a few minor hits with his singers, a Coniff knock-off, if you ask me.
3. A sales comparison, US vs. Europe vs. International, would be informative. Do you have a source for sales figures?

Again, thanks for your comments. 78.26 (talk) 18:14, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

One more comment: Everthing above is thrown out the window if pre-1955 is being discussed. Ben Selvin, anyone? 78.26 (talk) 18:16, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the apologies. Let me state up front I'm a big fan of Vaughn's, but I also think the article shouldn't be redolent of a fanmag, nor should it include factually questionable information. Even just basing that "most successful of all time" statement on chart action is debatable, as the Conniff charting easily shows (and I think it's splitting hairs not to accept Conniff as an orchestra leader--it was his orchestra, his charts, and, yes, his singers, though if you know the Conniff history, his singers were initially used as vocalese, wordless accompaniment to the orchestral arrangements). I do have access to sales info, which is why I know that Vaughn, while having an amazing career and a lot of chart hits, sold far fewer records than many of his easy listening contemporaries. Part of this was simply due to the smaller distribution model that Dot had vs. Columbia and some of the other bigger labels. I think any of your clarifications above is better than what's there now. 98.232.135.153 (talk) 00:32, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

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