Talk:Barretina

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Seems to me that this page is somewhat roughly translated out of Spanish, or a closely-related language. The use of Roman numerals to denote the century, and the term "folkloric dances," although making sense in Spanish (el siglo XIX, danzas folkloricos) these things are somewhat foreign to an Anglophone.messor (talk) 19:58, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Is it me, or does the Barrentina closely resemble the Phrygian / Liberty Cap? Certainly as worn by at least one of those pictured it is exhibited almost exactly as the Phrygian Cap. In the 14th century, there existed a large presence of Catalonians in the area around Constantinople and Greece! Witness the history of the Catalan Company or Grand Catalan Company http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Company69.92.23.64 (talk) 13:59, 25 February 2009 (UTC)Ronald L. Hughes

Since no action seems to have taken place concerning the possibility of a connection between the Barretina and the Phrygian Cap, perhaps the moderator of this page might look here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_cap Reading even the first paragraph ("The Phrygian cap is a soft, red, conical cap with the top pulled forward, worn in antiquity by the inhabitants of Phrygia, a region of central Anatolia. Originally a priestly cap it came to signify freedom and the pursuit of liberty in the Roman west — perhaps by a confusion with the pileus, the manumitted slave's felt cap of ancient Rome — and is sometimes called a liberty cap.") should offer up a "red light" indicating that there must be some relationship between them! And, this should also be connected to the Grand Catalan Company" site, mentioned above; See; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Company

Or even the "Grand Navarrese Company?" See; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navarrese_Company

It seems one cannot mention the Phrygian Cap or Bonnet, or Barret-ina, without making the connections or at least mention the possibility that some connection must exist?

The biggest problem(s) seems to be the proposed antiquity of the Phrygian model (IE, BCE), with the 16th century CE model of the Catalan model, as well as the basically un-explainable movement of this symbol, across Europe and into America, as a symbol of "Liberty" or "Free-men!"

Certainly even the French version called the "Beret", must also be considered as related? See; http://www.blueberet.org/historyoftheberet.htm

The relationship of the word "Barret-ina" and "Beret" can also be seen and must be related since the "beret" is supposedly taken from the "Basque" region of Spain, which is the very same area from which the Catalans claim their ancestory!69.92.23.64 (talk) 14:32, 28 October 2009 (UTC)Ronald L. Hughes

Ronald L. Hughes might care to consult this very Wikipedia (see Basque Country (greater region) and Principality of Catalonia) before stating that the "Basque" region of Spain is the very same area from which the Catalans claim their ancestry. In fact, the Basques and the Catalans claim opposite ends of the Pyrenean mountain range as their respective homelands. --YuriBCN 08:33, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

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