Talk:Baroque horse

Other baroque breeds?

If the definition of a baroque breed is one which has retained the Spanish-Neapolitan type, and the Lipizzaner is included in this definition, the term could also be ascribed to the Nonius and Kladruber, and perhaps to the Frederiksborg horse? Countercanter (talk) 15:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I think you are right. It probably wouldn't hurt to try and find sources, but if they fit the model of agile but powerful animals suitable for the Haute Ecole, and are descended from that stock, then yes, I say go ahead and note them. Montanabw^(talk) 22:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

That said, looking at the actual articles, all of these breeds seem to now be directed more toward heavy harness or warmblood-looking descendants, lacking the flash and fire of the Andalusian types...I think the definition sort of encompasses the agile animals...could go either way, maybe worth some research into the question... Montanabw^(talk) 22:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree that it could go either way. However, it is worth noting that combined driving is dominated by Lipizzaners. Freisians are driving horses. I understood the term "baroque horse" to mean that it still reflected the style of the time, which was for a heavy-bodied horse with a high-set, crested neck, roman-nosed head, etc. Maybe the article itself should be clarified too? Countercanter (talk) 16:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

• [1] "[A recently imported Kladruber mare] has been shown in hand at Baroque Horse Shows"
• [2] "Old Kladruber horses, a surviving but endangered baroque breed"
• www.economy-point.org/b/baroque-horse.html List of Baroque breeds: Barb, Frederiksborger, Friesian, Ginetta, Kladruber, Knabstrupper (non-sporting type), Lipizzaner, Lusitano, Manorquin, Murgese, Neapolitaner, PRE/Andalusian.
• [3] Standard for Baroque-type Knabstrupper.
• [4] US Kladruber Horse Association standard, describing the Kladruber as a baroque horse.Countercanter (talk) 16:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Okey dokey, I'm convinced. Feel free to edit away. If you want to use that list of yours I bolded, footnoted, that looks the most inclusive? I would do the names wikilinked to the names as they are listed in wiki. ("Manorquin?" I don't think we have an article on that one! Nor, do I think we have Ginetta. Maybe red link those on purpose and put in a hidden text placeholder tag for them at the list of horse breeds -- and if you are really motivated, put in a request at Horse Breeds task force to create those articles??)

Oh, all that said, I sort of question the Barb as part of that list, I consider it to be more an oriental horse. (Though mDNA testing does indicate crossbreeding with Andalusians). Montanabw^(talk) 22:15, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we can swap some images into the related breed articles so that the animals shown are better examples (the lead image on the Kladruber article is so weird-looking that it's almost scary!) Montanabw^(talk) 22:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Mae some edits to add the breeds listed. See what you think and edit as you see fit. Montanabw^(talk) 02:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

The Pluto line of Lipizzaners descended from Pluto, who was a Frederiksborger horse. They are baroque. Roan Art (talk) 20:40, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

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Images

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  Francesco Mochi's (1580-1654) monument to Alessandro Farnese; baroque-period statue including a baroque-type horse.
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  Diego Velazquez's c. 1633 portrait of Gaspar de Guzman; baroque-period painting including a baroque-type horse.
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  Diego Velazquez's c. 1635 portrait of Philipp IV; baroque-period painting including a baroque-type horse.
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  Juan Carreno de Miranda's latter 17th C. painting; baroque-period painting including a baroque-type horse.

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What is a Ginetta?

I can not find any evidence for the existence of this breed, except in lists of recognized baroque or dressage horse breeds. I can't find any information about them, where they are bred, what they look like, where one might buy one, nothing. There is a pedigree for a thoroughbred horse named Ginetta from 1953 that is copied all over the internet, and a race car company that goes by that name as well, but that's all I can find. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D08:E980:2E00:117A:BFFE:8165:2123 (talk) 15:07, 2 October 2019 (UTC)