Talk:Bắc Hà dog

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Flibirigit (talk) 01:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that according to Hmong oral tradition, the Bắc Hà dog gets its fierce temperament from dholes? Source: https://danviet.vn/len-nui-san-quoc-khuyen-bac-ha-7777850921.htm
  • ALT1: ... ... that according to Hmong oral tradition, the Bắc Hà dog gets its fierce temperament "fire wolves", which is a Vietnamese name for dholes? Source: https://danviet.vn/len-nui-san-quoc-khuyen-bac-ha-7777850921.htm
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Created by Annwfwn (talk). Self-nominated at 22:51, 23 August 2022 (UTC).

• I'll take this one. Review to follow. Mabalu (talk) 09:03, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - There are some issues here. An Earwig check pulls up some sentences that are worryingly close to text on this source, so please rewrite the sentences. The paragraph starting "Intelligent, independent and brave" is particularly concerning in how minimally it differs from text on the source website, and should be rephrased/rewritten significantly before this DYK can be passed.

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - I think a couple of addtional links are needed for Hmong and dhole, because these are not everyday terms.

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Please resolve the close paraphrasing issue, and this should be OK. Very interesting hook. Perhaps an additional explanatory note for dhole such as "mountain wolf" or even "fire wolf" would make the hook even more attention grabbing. The source given for supporting the cite is in Vietnamese, and Google Translate doesn't show "dhole" but it does seem to interpret the word as "fire wolf" which is pretty catchy. I did notice that the dhole statement is also supported by other English language sources, such as the one with the paraphrasing issue, so it's all good. A dog pic would definitely draw eyes to DYK so I'd encourage you to suggest one of the images in the article for DYK. Mabalu (talk) 09:50, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mabalu: Thanks for your suggestions, I rewrote the hook. Sói lửa does literally translate as "fire wolf," and its the term I'm most familiar with for Cuon alpinus, the Asian dhole. Here's a link to the Vietnamese Wikipedia on Dholes. I dug out my Vietnamese dictionary just to triple check but it gave me "chó rừng" which means "wild dog" nonspecifically or jackal, as in the African jackals. (Incidentally, chó rừng translates literally as "forest dog.")

I'll correct the paraphrasing! Two members of the Native Vietnamese Breed Preservation Society helped me to write this and now I know why they liked it so much. Annwfwn (talk) 00:23, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

@Annwfwn: I like the rewritten hook even more! Unfortunately, there are still issues with paraphrasing. The problem sentences are: "In their territory, they are alert without signs of shyness nor fear. The breed has strong instincts to protect the owner's property." and are duplicated on the source link. Please could you rephrase? Also, if we are putting fire wolves in the hook, then we should add a note to the article about fire wolves. All text in a hook should be echoed by the article. I suggest this small edited version and am also proposing a couple of pics for the hook.

• • ALT2: ... ... that according to Hmong oral tradition, the Bắc Hà dog (pictured) gets its fierce temperament from "fire wolves", a Vietnamese name for dholes?Source: https://danviet.vn/len-nui-san-quoc-khuyen-bac-ha-7777850921.htm

Bắc Hà dog

Bắc Hà dog

Bắc Hà puppy

I do note that the grown dog pictures may have some questions about clearance in their source country though. The puppy pic is fully cleared. Mabalu (talk) 09:28, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

• The nominator hasn't edited in several weeks. The nomination is thus now marked for closure as abandoned unless another editor decides to adopt this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:52, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• Closing nomination as stale and abandoned. Flibirigit (talk) 01:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)