Talk:American Basketball Association

Different Rules?

Did the ABA use different rules than the NBA at that time? what were they (besides the red/white/blue ball)? and did they all get adoupted by the NBA?

Yes, there were several rule differences, and they should be listed in the article. You can read about them here: http://www.remembertheaba.com/ABAGeneralInfo/ABAFaq.html#ABARules —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.224.117.101 (talk • contribs) 03:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

Two Leagues

Since the ABA still is two leagues, i'm changing the verb tense of the opening sentence from "consisted" to "consists" --Karmafist 08:08, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Yeah its probably the tense from when the 2nd league was shut down but now that its reopen again consists works better. --Djsasso 05:52, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

It should be past tense as the two leagues are separate, as are the articles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.224.117.101 (talk • contribs) 03:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

Wasn't there also a San Diego Conquistadors team in the old ABA? -- Zoe

Yes; it was the league's only expansion team. It has its own page now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.224.117.101 (talk • contribs) 03:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

Split into two articles?

Would it not make sense to split this into two articles? The old ABA and the current incarnation are not directly connected. Uvaduck 18:36, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Looks like somebody has, at American Basketball Association New. Not sure where they got the "New" bit, though. Dan the Man Khan 01:17, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

It looks like that article was created back in June, though it's obviously hasn't been improved since then. --Tubutler 02:50, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Was there an ABA team in Albuquerque (New Mexico) in the last season? I think they are the Rayguns, maybe it was in the CBA of the 1970s. Someone help me find a web link on the Rayguns basketball team.

No; the ABA never had a team in New Mexico. The CBA might have, though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.224.117.101 (talk • contribs) 03:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

Hmm, you're thinking of the Roswell Rayguns. They were a fictitious team in a series of Nike commercials that featured current NBA stars like Vince Carter (as Dr. Funk), Dirk Nowitzki, &c. virtually inserted into actual ABA game footage.24.44.137.19 07:16, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

They might have had a team play there (not sure when, like early 70's), like the Condors, but I don't think they had a premanate team in Al town. Kanga-Kucha

Page move Feb 2008

There is one American Basketball Association that was well known, considered a major sports league, was televised and received media coverage, and had athletes as good as those in the NBA.

The ABA 2000 is none of the above.

The "American Basketball Association" page should be about the major ABA, not the current-day minor league. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.224.111.163 (talk • contribs) 22:17, 3 February 2008

These are very valid reasons for moving the page. However, the correct way to move a page is not by simply copying and pasting the contents, but rather, making a request at WP:RM and opening a poll at the talk page of Talk:American Basketball Association (1967-1976) (the instructions are listed here). The reason Wikipedia guidelines request us to do it this way is because copying and pasting the contents destroys the edit history of the page. Bash Kash (talk) 22:55, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Please note that the page is now, substantially, the way it was before someone else did what you are talking about. I restored the page to how it was before that happened. Someone came in and, it appears, worked hard to rearrange things so that ABA pages and categories became items about the minor league ABA 2000 - and a lot of those pages, in turn, seem to be cut and pasted from press releases, frankly. I don't mean to argue over Wikipedia protocol, but I did want you do know that I was simply restoring things to how they were before that unjustified, wholesale revision was made previously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.224.111.163 (talk) 23:10, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you are correct. It appears that MJHankel moved the page unilaterally on 7 April 2007. We're going to need an admin to move American Basketball Association (1967-1976) into American Basketball Association. I'll try to find one, without having to go through WP:RM. Bash Kash (talk) 23:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Per request I have moved the article back to the original title American Basketball Association. There were no substantive edits (just 1 or 2 link fixes) made to the fork of the article at this page from when it was first moved away from here, so don't propose to restore any of those edits there that are now overwritten/deleted. The edit history of this article should now reflect all substantive edits made to this topic, including those made when it was under the name American Basketball Association (1967-1976). The majority of inbound links etc seem to be relating to this one.

A bot should fix any double redirects, however the associated categories and inbound links prob need to be gone through. --cjllw ʘ TALK 00:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Semi-Pro

This article is about the ABA only, not movies based on it. To include a paragraph about Semi-Pro in the "League history" section is totally inappropriate. Not only is it unrelated to the history of the ABA, but the information is also completely trivial. Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines before you revert again. Bash Kash (talk) 07:29, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

St. Louis deal

Perhaps it should be mentioned somewhere on the ABA wikipedia page the story about the famous (or infamous) deal that the Spirits of St. Louis owners received from the NBA, upon the 1976 merger. http://espn.go.com/nba/s/2001/1213/1295194.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.201.180 (talk) 08:22, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

"Succession" section

I was under the impression that the new ABA is not associated with the old ABA. Is this correct? The title of this section might give readers the wrong idea that the two are in fact associated. Bash Kash (talk) 19:45, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

New section

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/14/sports/basketball/the-new-aba-is-a-quirky-chaotic-league.html?_r=0

Would a criticism section be okay for this article based on this source, or would it be too harsh and damaging to the reputation? what do you wikipedians think? Robert4565 (talk) 12:47, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Prominent players

The Prominent players section needs to establish some criteria for inclusion, otherwise it will be forever subject to POV disputes. For example, a user has recently chosen to add (and re-add) a player who never won any post-season awards, never led the league in any statistic, never played in an ABA All-Star Game, only played in one season, didn't even average double figures in points, and only scored two total points in the playoffs. Does this sound like the sort of player that an objective reader would consider prominent? I would think that any player added to the list would have received at least one post-season award. — Myasuda (talk) 02:12, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

I agree. If Fly Williams was featured in a documentary on the St Louis Spirits, then he may be prominent enough to be mentioned on that team's page, but not for the league page. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 03:45, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

I vote just to delete that section. The were lots of prominent players in the original ABA and all ABA players are notable per WP:NBASKETBALL. I'd also vote against a "prominent players" section in any franchise article - best to stick to an "award winners" section as this would be objective criteria. Rikster2 (talk) 23:44, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

ABA Finals

Do they need pages created for each Finals held (1968-1976), or should it just be left to the ABA Playoffs page for each year to talk about it? Wikidude10000 (talk) 23:53, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

"One of two ABA franchises where two or more markets team played currently have an NBA team each"

In the Teams section, it refers to the Dallas Chaparrals/Texas Chaparrals/San Antonio Spurs as "One of two ABA franchises where two or more markets team played currently have an NBA team each." This is because the Spurs themselves still play in San Antonio, while Dallas has had the Mavericks since 1980.

But there aren't only two ABA franchises that meet that criterion.

The Anaheim Amigos/Los Angeles Stars/Utah Stars have two of their home markets represented in the NBA by the Los Angeles Lakers, Los Angeles Clippers, and the Utah Jazz.

The Minnesota Muskies/Miami Floridians have their home markets represented in the NBA by the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Miami Heat.

The New Orleans Buccaneers/Memphis Pros/Tams/Sounds have two of their home markets represented in the NBA by the New Orleans Pelicans and the Memphis Grizzlies.

And the Oakland Americans/Oaks/Washington Capitals/Virginia Squires have two of their home markets represented in the NBA by the Golden State Warriors and the Washington Wizards.

So that's five ABA franchises which have two of their markets represented in the NBA now.

(I'm not counting the Houston Mavericks/Carolina Cougars/Spirits of St. Louis as meeting that criterion, because the Cougars were based in Greensboro and only played in Charlotte part time.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:36, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Hardship Rule Inclusion

I noticed that this article is missing a section on the Spencer Haywood hardship case. A history of the ABA should include a section on the Haywood case because it helped to shape the current one and done rule within the modern NBA. My plan is to do research on the hardship case and add a section detailing what happened and the result and effect of the case both on the ABA and NBA. I was thinking the section could go right before the prominent players section. I think its important to have this aspect of the ABA included because it is one of the things that has had one of the biggest effects on the modern game. Agray1231 (talk) 18:32, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Could someone help me with determining whether to cite a statement or just delete it? Here's what I have currently:

According to the Manta, The ABA was a league that "frequently made up rules on the fly" and "was willing to push the envelope and determine the implications of the rules later".

This sentence will replace the current sentence in the article, which is:

The ABA was a league that frequently made up rules on the fly and was willing to push the envelope and determine the implications of the rules later.

However, after looking at the website that my citation linked to, I'm not sure how the ABA making up rules "on the fly" is notable to this article, so I was thinking about just deleting the sentence. Any other opinions? OffAndSphere (talk) 16:34, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Slam Dunk Contest

The slam dunk contest is mentioned in the league history section of the article but there is not very much detail given as to why the event occurred or who won. The dunk contest is important to the history of the league because it carried over into the NBA and was put on to help ensure that the All Star game would be exciting. The owners wanted an entertaining event because they figured it would assist in getting a merger with the NBA. My plan is to add a brief history of the dunk contest so that there is more than the brief mention. Agray1231 (talk) 06:58, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

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Minnesota NBA market having "ABA Heritage"

Specifically, the line that says "In addition to the four surviving ABA teams, eight current NBA markets have ABA heritage: Utah, Dallas, Houston, Miami, New Orleans, Memphis, Minnesota and Charlotte all had an ABA team before the NBA arrived." which to me implies Minnesota did not have an NBA team before the ABA team came to town. That isn't true because the Minneapolis Lakers were in Minnesota (in Minneapolis where the Timberwolves play) in the 40s and 50s a decade before the Minnesota Muskies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.31.124.25 (talk) 17:50, 3 April 2022 (UTC)