Talk:Aljamiado

Short vowels

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Texts in the Arabic script are often written without short vowels, making these texts more difficult to read; for Aljamiado as for Arabic, the reader was expected to supply the missing vowels.

Actually in aljamiado short vowels are always written, nothing is left to the reader, as we can see in the sample. If there's any particular aljamiado manuscript lacking short vowel marks, it should be identified. --Filius Rosadis 16:03, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

In that case, the opening paragraph should be modified to read: "A text in a Romance language is said to be aljamiado if it is written using Arabic or Hebrew orthography,..." instead of the word "alphabet", since the diacritical marks that indicate the short vowels are not alphabetic. Mr.Slade 22:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)Mr.Slade

Hebrew

I wanted to add some image of Hebrew script, but could only find Image:Calendar Thessaloniki 1896.jpg, that has a line in Hebrew script. Since it is a date, I suppose that it could be in Ladino or in Hebrew. Could you check? --Error 23:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Dating issue

The third paragraph begins "The systematic writing of Romance-language texts in Arabic scripts appears to have begun in the fifteenth century, and the overwhelming majority of such texts that can be dated belong to the sixteenth century". However, this was the script used for the vernacular Latin documents of civil administration and property transactions among the Mozarabs of Toledo from before its fall through the early 13th century. (See Ángel González Palencia, Los mozárabes de Toledo en los siglos XII y XIII). Agricolae (talk) 22:59, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

I fully agree. The article in Spanish lacks this important information too. Both articles should be corrected. --Hispalois (talk) 05:53, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Alphabet

Does anyone have the aljamiado letter-by-letter with each letter's equivalent in Spanish? Kostantino888Z (talk) 20:37, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Not just Romance languages!

The word Aljamiado is also used to refer to Greek written in the Arabic alphabet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.38.251.189 (talk) 07:49, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Ok, fixed. --Jotamar (talk) 15:41, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Missing Links

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Examples?

Can we provide some examples of Spanish (and/or other Western languages) written in aljamiado? For example, Article 1 of the UDHR, which is used in the Xiao'erjing article and numerous other articles about language systems, or the opening sentences of Don Quixote. Qzekrom (she/her • talk) 14:21, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

It makes no sense, since there wasn't any standard, those who used aljamiado most probably developed their writing system on the fly, plus their language is very dialectal, in some cases it can hardly be called Spanish. --Jotamar (talk) 00:02, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

English orthography wasn't standardized until recently, yet we can still cite examples of Early Modern English. Spanish wasn't standardized until the 18th century, either. And Judeo-Spanish is still Spanish. A language or writing system doesn't have to be standardized for us to be able to provide useful examples of it. We still provide examples of Internet slang even though it's far from standardized. Qzekrom (she/her • talk) 17:45, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

I meant that it makes no sense to take a modern Spanish text of any kind and convert it into aljamiado. Of course it would be very useful to show a real aljamiado document and its transcription, however I don't know where to find that. --Jotamar (talk) 19:28, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I see what you mean - thanks for clarifying. We do have File:Flicker - Aljamiado letters.jpg - an image showing correspondences between Latin and Arabic scripts, but it doesn't seem to have a source. Unlike xiao'erjing, aljamiado isn't still widely used today (which is why I've struggled to find present-day examples of it). Qzekrom (she/her • talk) 15:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Aljamiado documents were written by Spanish Muslims, who were ousted in the beginning of the 17th century. AFAIK, there are no aljamiado texts after that date. --Jotamar (talk) 21:16, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Arabic Transliteration

According to my reading of L.P. Harvey's books, I believe aljama / aljamiado corresponds to عامية which means: the colloquial language, lingua franca or common tongue to differentiate it from classical Arabic الفصحى. 2603:7000:8100:2F16:20BC:CD94:BD54:E576 (talk) 15:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm afraid you (or those books) are wrong, عَجَمِيَة and عامية sound alike but they're different words. --Jotamar (talk) 20:29, 28 June 2023 (UTC)