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Alignment

I think the alignment system would be better described as agentive rather than active-stative, since it is sensitive to semantic properties of the participants rather than to the lexical aspect of the verb. Gholton (talk) 09:02, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

That particular description wasn't my doing; it was there a long time ago (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abui_language&oldid=342467530).

Anyway it seems to be sensitive to more than just semantic properties of participants:

"...in most instances where prefixes are used in Abui, the relation between form and semantics is either vague, or absent. This is because in Abui, P-indexing is also heavily determined by inflectional classes of verbs, and inflectional class assignments are mostly idiosyncratic" (Klamer and Kratochvíl in Seržant and Witzlack-Makarevich 2018:84).

“The inflectional class of the verb, in addition to semantic factors, determine how the A, S or P will be encoded” (Saad 2020:229-230). BlakeALee (talk) 03:45, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

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Number of speakers

I cannot find an archived version of the source ( http://www.unesco.org/culture/languages-atlas/en/atlasmap/language-id-2736.html ): does anyone have it? a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 19:46, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

That website was an interactive atlas; the archived versions of it on the Wayback Machine are also not functional. One would need to have the actual code in order to see it now. Abui is also not listed in the 2010 book version of UNESCO's Atlas of the World's Languages in Danger by Moseley (previewable on Google Books).

If you are looking for information on speaker numbers, the main source, Wurm and Hattori 1981, is outdated. It gives a number of 16,000 for Abui. BlakeALee (talk) 19:37, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

@BlakeALee: thanks. Ethnologue still gives 16k. Should we keep the 17k from UNESCO as we can't verify it? a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 22:21, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

No one knows how many Abui speakers there are. Even Wurm and Hattori put a question mark after their original figure of 16,000, indicating the count was uncertain from the start. Ethnologue took the number from Wurm and Hattori, which is now more than 40 years out of date. If you want to use Ethnologue or the Catalogue of Endangered Languages's figure of 16,000 instead of UNESCO's, I suggest putting a question mark after it, to reflect how it was noted in the primary source. Another option would be to put "unknown". BlakeALee (talk) 00:31, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Got it. I added a question mark and cited the original source (Wurm and Hattori 1981). a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 08:55, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

👍 BlakeALee (talk) 18:47, 28 December 2022 (UTC)