Talk:62 Group

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I notice this has been removed:

A leading member of the 62 Group was Harry Bidney, a convicted child molester and owner of the Limbo club in Soho.

Whereas it seems to be a valid piece of information. Bidney had an obituary published in Searchlight, so it seems that he was a 'leading member'. Unless the veracity of this information be disproven, I shall re-insert it (without the POV additions from 195.93.21.38. 80.255 11:57, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Mosley's group and suggestions of violence

I removed this sentance, " no suggestion was made that Mosley's organisation who were the main victims of 62 Group attacks indulged in any violence except in defence of their own meetings" As whether it is true or not that they did indulge in violence (one suspects it is), the point is that members of the 62 group and others did make this sugestion.--JK the unwise 17:36, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It's all fine and NPOV to report contradictory suggestions. I think it deserves to be mentioned that Mosley's group did claim the above, so long as the claim is properly attributed. It's impossible to ajudge the truth of it; I daresay both sides were responsible for violence at various times. 80.255 20:09, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

A sentance like "However, Mosleys groups denied that they indulged in violence except in defence of their meetings" would be ok though it seems redundent since their is allready a sentence that notes that members of the far-right accused the 62 Group of starting the violence. The problem with the last sentance is that it reports that no one made the suggestion that Mosely's group was involved in violence, which is wroung.--JK the unwise 11:06, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Bias

Some points in the presentation of this is bias;

• (1) it conceals the Jewish nature of the group from the intro. It was specifically Jewish in the sense that non-Jews were not part of the membership (though they allied with some).
• (2) it uses communist rhetoric to hide or put a bias... even positive spin on what can be described more neutrally as a political violence. It presents the group as Braveheart like heroes.
• (3) it libels Irish people, by suggesting they support communism or Zionism (a strong focus of this group). When the alleged "fascists" featured just as many if not more Irish (for instance Michael McLaughlin). The 62 Group were allied to some violent far-left elements of republicanism.
• (4) it conceals the personal background of Harry Bidney. According to the Daily Telegraph, 6th August 1977, Harry Bidney fined £1600 after being found guilty of eight charges of living off the earnings of prostitutes. That means he was a pimp.
• (5) a lot of members of this group had communist links, such as Gerry Gable, who was a Communist Party of Great Britain member. - 90.212.77.171 (talk) 11:16, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree with no.5 and 1 might possibly be correct, but disagree to a greater or lesser extent with the others. 4. Bidney being or not being a pimp seems irrelevant to the article, especially as (a) no-one has provided an RS for Bidney's involvement with the 62 group; (b) the newspaper you cite is from several years after the 62 Group was active; (c) his beig a pimp or not is not more relevant to his political activity than his haircut, and considerably less relevant than, e.g. the fact he was a decorated WWII vet. 3. Article says nothing about the Irish in general, only some Irish, and it is not libellous in any way to say they had anything to do with Jews/Zionists/Communists. BobFromBrockley (talk) 18:59, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

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