Talk:3rd Panzer Division (Wehrmacht)

Insignia

Frankly, I am dubious regarding the insignia proffered by Marco. The 3rd Panzer web page does not reference this logo. Tswold (talk) 08:35, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Than remove it. 173.64.84.108 (talk) 19:34, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually I find it rather odd that none of the sources given actualy support this insignia... 173.64.84.108 (talk) 19:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Sources... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Peace_symbols#Removed_section http://www.germandressdaggers.com/Panzer%20Section%20Divisional%20markings%201%20to%203.htm http://www.panzer-modell.de/referenz/abzeichen/pz.htm Dustbomber (talk) 21:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Dubious sources with no photos. For example, the symbol of the 4th Panzer Division appears in a photo at [1] as a crow's foot in a circle, not touching the circumference, and with crossed swords beneath, but the drawing at [2] (which is not itself sourced) has been changed to omit the swords and to make the crow's foot touch the circumference so that it looks like an inverted peace symbol. There is clearly some doctoring going on. The same may be true of the symbol for the 3rd Panzer Division, for which no source is given either. I've removed it. Marshall46 (talk) 14:50, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Removed again. The earliest source for the drawing of the peace sign as a Wehrmacht symbol is Theodor Hartmann's Wehrmacht Divisional Signs (London: Almark Publishing Co., 1970). Hartmann gives no source. No photograph of this symbol in use has ever been produced. Hartmann is unknown apart from this book. For all these reasons he is an unreliable source. There is, however, a photo showing the vehicle marking on the right, posted on Axis History Forum. The poster says it belonged to the 3rd Panzer Division; another poster says it was the 4th Panzer Division. It is easy to see how in 1970 it might have reminded Hartmann of the peace sign and how he might have altered it for his book. Marshall46 (talk) 12:43, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Removed. The maker of this image, Marco Kaiser, has not responded to questions asking him for his source. See [3]. Pelarmian (talk) 14:11, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I found a reference to the use of a "death rune" (inverted Algiz, no circle mentioned) for (a batallion of?) the 10th Panzer Division in this 1982 publication. I only see snippet view, and there is mention of a "10. Panzerdivision im XLVI. Armeekorps unter Panzergeneral Guderian", which itself sounds a bit fishy (should probably read XVI, not XLVI?).

Wir sind der 10. Panzerdivision im XLVI. Armeekorps unter Panzergeneral Guderian zugeteilt. Unser taktisches Zeichen ist neben der Todesrune der Abteilung ein grosses 'G'.

Walter Henkels, Die Lage war immer so ernst: ein Chronist erinnert sich (1982), p. 256.

Just randomly came across this while researching peace symbol and posting it here for future reference. --dab (𒁳) 10:34, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

I WAS PART OF THE 3RD PANZER DIVISION FROM OCT.1941 TO AUGUST 1942

INDUCTED OCT. 1941,EBERSWALDE. WOUNDED 23. AUGUST 1942 AT MOSDOK IN THE KAUKASUS. FRED A SIMON THE-BERLINER@ CHARTER.NET — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.178.172.92 (talk) 19:41, 15 October 2011 (UTC)