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Banned exports of wheat edit

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Russia banned exports of wheat should put in article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.226.222 (talk) 10:38, 6 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

No. It has nothing to do with the fires. Colchicum (talk) 12:25, 9 August 2010 (UTC)Reply
The wildfires have been destroying wheat fields? Russia stopped the export due to the drought and crop being destroyed by fires. Teafico (talk) 21:58, 9 August 2010 (UTC)Reply
The drought is not a subject of this article, the alleged destruction of crop by fires has been unsourced so far. Wheat is not grown on peat bogs and in forests, major grain-producing areas are well outside the regions most affected by the wildfires (again, drought is another matter), and wheat field fires are relatively easily contained, so this seems highly unlikely. I am fine with whatever as long as there are sources. The sources used to support the now deleted section about the grain export ban had nothing to say regarding the fires. Colchicum (talk) 00:40, 10 August 2010 (UTC)Reply
Fair enough. The Russian article on this page doesn't even list it. Hah, good work, sir. 08:52, 10 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teafico (talk • contribs)

Should we make the lead larger? edit

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Short leads are great, but perhaps we could increase this a bit to more than once sentence. Any idea on what to include in it? Maybe a total of how many ha/km2 have been scorched and burned. Teafico (talk) 23:33, 6 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

What should we do with these pictures? edit

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I know I can't be the only one working on this, but perhaps we can move the high temperature map somewhere else on this page. If we even need it. Teafico (talk) 00:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

Political Impact edit

A story I thought was outragous was one about a local United Russia webHere. I have read that it is expected many of the regions governors may be fired.

Conflicting death toll edit

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On the Main Page, "at least 50" is a poor term for describing what could possibly be up to thousands of deaths as stated in the health effects section. The main page should be updated to reflect this. PotentialDanger (talk) 18:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

I agree with this. 213.89.139.29 (talk) 10:23, 30 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

Deathtoll BS edit

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I call bullshit. 700 people a day "about twice the average"? Really? 300+ people die every day in Moscow? Then the morgue is "almost full" at 1,300? If it's 700 people a day, shouldn't it be more like 13,000 by now? I don't know where AP got their numbers but it looks like total BS. --65.10.51.35 (talk) 20:24, 11 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

Moscow has a population of a bit over 10m, so a quick calculation would make 300 deaths a day an average life expectancy of 85 or so, so that part sounds fine (if not a bit on the low side). No idea about the rest though. --81.151.101.201 (talk) 00:26, 12 August 2010 (UTC)Reply
One of the reasons why it may seem on the low side is I would guess in a place like Moscow while there may normally be a small peak in the summer months, the winter months probably have a larger peak Nil Einne (talk) 18:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

I remember seeing a daily toll of the deaths occurring in Moscow on some station, maybe NTV, each day and the amount of murders, fatal car accidents and fires was unbelievable. It doesn't surprise me at all and indeed does seem quite low. Here's a study from 1998 which states how mortality rates increased during higher smog rates in Canada by up to 10% in some cases. For a city as large as Moscow and with all the effects of the smog/air pollution and the general conditions of the city itself, a large increase in deaths does seem plausible. King (talk) 05:24, 12 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

For comparison the Great Smog of 1952 in London is now estimated at around 12k extra deaths, and the 700/day includes the background death rate mentioned (making it more like 7k extra deaths), so while I have no idea if the numbers are right, they aren't on the face of it out of the norm for events like this in a very large city. --86.162.175.76 (talk) 14:07, 12 August 2010 (UTC)Reply
The original objection here is based on some false assumptions. As already pointed out, 700+ a day would probably not even be considered high as a normal background death rate for a city that size. Additionally, only a small percentage of bodies go to a central morgue, if Russia's health care system is anything like ours. Most would be handled through other hospitals and facilities. Morgues tend to be temporary storage for unidentified bodies, people who have no next of kin/contacts, transients, etc. I don't see anything with these figures that looks wrong, unless osmeone can find a source for the morgue in questions detailing its capacity.Jbower47 (talk) 13:29, 16 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

DDoS attacks on The Virtual Vyksa edit

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The sources claim that the site experienced DDoS attacks. Allegations of the authorities being behind these DDoS attacks are mere statements of options of the site's owners and should be clearly marked as such. Abolen (talk) 08:18, 14 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

Carbon monoxide nonsense edit

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Wildfires burning in open air don't generate carbon monoxide, at least not in appreciable amounts to cause health concerns. We've been getting reports for decades of atmospheric conditions during summer forest fires in the western United States, some of which have blanketed urban areas with thick, acrid haze for weeks, and never, ever has carbon monoxide been mentioned as a hazard. For a time I lived in an area of the Pacific Northwest when lumber mills routinely burned their sawdust and scraps in large, conical "sawdust burners", and some valleys were blanketed in wood smoke continuously, but nobody suffered from carbon monoxide poisoning. What gives here? Is someone trying to put a snow job on Wikipedia readers, or is this news reported by stupid, uneducated journalists who flunked out in chemistry class and don't know the difference between carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide?—QuicksilverT @ 18:13, 15 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

this is official reports from ru:Федеральная служба по надзору в сфере защиты прав потребителей и благополучия человека (Russian Federal Service for Supervision of Consumer Rights Protection and Human Welfare) for Moscow and other cities. I myself several times suffered mild symptoms of CO poisoning. The most fires is not open air open fires, so it is conditions for the CO formation --Evgen2 (talk) 09:23, 18 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

Need Wikipedia article on 2012 wildfires in Russia, which were worse than those of 2010 edit

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The 2010 wildfires were the worst on record to that time. However in 2012 new wildfires broke out in Russia which proved even more extensive and damaging.[1]

Wikipedia should have an article about the 2012 wildfires, or at least a substantial section should be added to this article, which should then be renamed appropriately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocdnctx (talk • contribs) 14:10, 21 July 2012 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2151

Human Factor edit

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Sgrigo1 (talk) 18:52, 2 February 2016 (UTC)Added text "According to the director of the Global Fire Monitoring Centre (GFMC) Johann Goldammer, the wildfires were caused by "negligent [human] behaviour", such as lighting barbecues and fireworks in a densely wooded area. [11]Such human activity, coupled with the unusually high temperatures over the Russian territories, catalyzed this record disturbance." to attribute cause of the wildfire to human activity, since this important factor was not mentioned elsewhere in the article. I also added a source to the relevant article from the scientific journal "Nature".Reply

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