Talk:2004 Australian federal election

Noteworthy?

"Howard and Brown were the only leaders of Parliamentary parties to make gains at the elections, and the only ones who retained their leadership positions ten months after the elections." seems like a bit of trivia to me. The same goes for Rudd/Brown after the 2007 election but we don't need to mention that on that election page. Thoughts? Timeshift (talk) 20:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

The same is also true for the 1996 and 2001 elections. It's a non-notable fact; it's pretty obvious that the PM's gonna keep his seat unless he retires, and it's also entirely unexpected that minor parties keep with the same leader. Rebecca (talk) 03:57, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Pretty much the only minor party that *could* lose their seat was the Democrats - if the Greens lost their leader it would be through either a loss of their seat at the ballot box, or their voluntary retirement. Orderinchaos 04:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

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Op-ed v. encyclopaedic style

IMO the bulk of the text in this article has been written in an op-ed style, with very few facts, and fewer references and citations. In my recent edit, I attempted to simply edit the current content into a more encyclopaedic style, and have concluded that this small effort is overshadowed by the remaining bulk of the article and that a bigger overhaul is required (as I noted in my Edit notes). I am willing to take on this task and have the necessary expertise and knowledge of the overall topic of Australian Elections and also of the election in question, and as a professional electoral scientist I have access to the necessary sources for citation, and am familiar with the No Independent/Personal Research guidelines. I will copy the entire article to its own Discussion Topic on my personal talk page, where I will work on editing and improving the article into a more-appropriate encyclopaedic style with requisite refs and citations. If anyone cares to comment or contribute to that effort, please make yourselves at home.

My original edit note is quoted here, "Rewrote some of the information in a more (but it's all relative!) encyclopaedic style; this whole page has been written like an op-ed, with very few references, and I am willing to edit more of it and provide worthy citations when it is not 3:19am. I *am* a professional electoral scientist with knowledge and access to the facts of this particular election and am familiar with the No Independent/Personal Research guidelines. I'm adding this para to the talk page for this page, and this page to my personal talk page for continued editing and referencing before editor consultation and eventual exiting/replacement of the parallel sections here." Charlie Sanders (talk) 16:35, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

I will invite (convince) other partisan and non-partisan experts in the field to review my overhaul and suggest any improvements as they see fit, and will add notations to this Discussion as those reviews occur (as they will likely occur with me in-person or via phone or electronic mail rather than as their own edits to the article - they are not familiar with the process and are unlikely to wish to engage (but I can take photos of their approval or disapproval and suggestions for improvements, and embed those photos in this Discussion as proof of professional consultation if'n you don't believe me! ;) ) Charlie Sanders (talk) 16:44, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Oh, bugger. I meant to sign. Yes, that was me above (both of me). Apologies! Charlie Sanders (talk) 16:45, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Australian Federal Election, 2004 (State Results, Popular Vote)

The map "Australian Federal Election, 2004 (State Results, Popular Vote).png" duplicates all the information already in the map above "Australia_2004_federal_election.png" and brings no new information to the article. In fact because of it's solid colouring and lack of seat count it actually is less informative then the other map, and a map of this format is not used in the 2001 or 2007 Australian election articles. I think it would be worthwhile removing this map all together. Dauwenkust (talk) 06:06, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Better idea: remove both. State-based results have absolutely no relevance to elections in Australia and are an irrelevant Americanisation. Frickeg (talk) 08:49, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I am not completely opposed, but the first map does also provide the actual number of seats won in each state by each party, and it appears to be the standard map used for elections before this point. If there was a map actually showing the electorates won then that would be preferable, but without one I think that map is a suitable compromise. (If you do know how to find an electorate map though, that would certainly be preferred). Dauwenkust (talk) 13:21, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

These maps were added within the last few years, without any discussion, so they're not really standard so much as no one has really discussed them much. Frickeg (talk) 21:19, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Well I think it's agreed to remove the second map, which I have done. Until we can find a map showing the electorate results I think it's best to leave the first. Dauwenkust (talk) 05:31, 6 May 2021 (UTC)